Breaking: Just Stop Oil Protester Attacked by Partner of Pregnant Woman 🛑

Wong

Where do they find the time to carry out all these protests? They obviously don't work, even the younger ones. They seem to think they have the right to ruin people's days by disruption. Do they ever think about all the pollution they are causing with cars idling along behind them and police cars having to race to the scene of the protest. They should be made to clean up the mess they cause with their paint and powder. Perhaps we should go round to their houses and spray paint red,for our anger at having to endure these idiots. Losing a lot of support by their actions.

No, they appear to be a mixture of pensioners, students and young people with wealthy parents.

The workers wouldn't have time for all this.

A bus driver has found a way to move them on, without hurting them...gentle nudging with his bus:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12318861/Just-Stop-Oil-eco-zealots-blasted-angry-bystander-rails-Theyve-never-days-work-life-fed-motorists-steal-moment-overtake-slow-marchers-moved-way-ambulance.html

Whitewavemark2

Doing your “bit” will do nothing. It needs something major which can only be achieved by a major player in the form of the state and international cooperation.

Well, yes, except JSO doesn’t seem to have any ideas as to how everyday life would work when oil is stopped. Maybe because it just wouldn’t?

Just Stop Living?

I’ll ask again. Do any of the supporters on this thread have a solution?

I'm with you Marmin and all those GNs who support what the protesters are trying to do. I believe their primary aim is not to upset the general public but to protest through peaceful disruption that may eventually force our government to make the climate crisis far more of a priority. There have been many strikes in recent weeks which have caused disruption - to travel, hospital operations, schooling, etc, and the strikers always claim their protest is against the government not the public. They are striking for their own gain, and many of us have supported them. Why, then, do we revile a group who, unlike the strikers, are not protesting just to benefit themselves but for all of us who currently inhabit this world, as well as the generations to come? Whatever we do as individuals to address the climate crisis is good but we should be attributing any anger we have about these protests to our government's totally inadequate climate policies. The film "Don't Look Up" is a portrayal of government indifference to the climate crisis. It's satirical but becoming more realistic by the day.

I certainly don’t. Therefore I’m not a supporter. I too would like to hear constructive ideas from supporters of JSO etc.

My solution is Just Stop Reproducing Humans.

But not many people would go along with that😬

Grandmagrewit

I'm with you Marmin and all those GNs who support what the protesters are trying to do. I believe their primary aim is not to upset the general public but to protest through peaceful disruption that may eventually force our government to make the climate crisis far more of a priority. There have been many strikes in recent weeks which have caused disruption - to travel, hospital operations, schooling, etc, and the strikers always claim their protest is against the government not the public. They are striking for their own gain, and many of us have supported them. Why, then, do we revile a group who, unlike the strikers, are not protesting just to benefit themselves but for all of us who currently inhabit this world, as well as the generations to come? Whatever we do as individuals to address the climate crisis is good but we should be attributing any anger we have about these protests to our government's totally inadequate climate policies. The film "Don't Look Up" is a portrayal of government indifference to the climate crisis. It's satirical but becoming more realistic by the day.

I think for those trying to earn a living/get around London, for other things, might have a different view.

Just Stop Oil are damaging their own cause.

Germanshepherdsmum

My way of life has changed as far as it’s likely to in spite of, not because of, these people. I am not an idiot who needs to be educated about climate change but presumably we are all considered idiots. How exactly are any of us, as individuals, able to ‘just stop oil’? For a start, many people who live rurally, as I do, are wholly dependent on oil for heating their homes. There’s nothing they can do about that. I have a modern house which relies solely on electricity but I’m in the minority. And charging points for electric cars are like hens’ teeth in the sticks. You’ll be delighted that I haven’t flown for many years though - not because of the antics of this bunch or any others though.

I agree, we're not idiots who need education. I also don't need to use fuel oil for heating but for many people there is no alternative.
We did look into getting an electric car but for many of us who need to make longer journeys they are just not practical. My son has one and usually has to charge it at a supermarket for some hours when he is away from home. Other friends have them but the early models they bought had a very limited range and needed to be replaced after just four years due to battery and other problems. Obviously the new models are better in this respect, but what do you do if you are on a long journey at the limit of your range and are diverted off the motorway, as so often happens?
We don't fly either, but very little is really said about the many millions of people who fly off on holiday once or twice a year.

At last. People are fighting back.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12319161/Eco-zealots-kettled-Just-Stop-P-ing-counter-protesters-form-human-chain-bid-foil-slow-march.html

Agree!!!

DiamondLily

A bus driver has found a way to move them on, without hurting them...gentle nudging with his bus:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12318861/Just-Stop-Oil-eco-zealots-blasted-angry-bystander-rails-Theyve-never-days-work-life-fed-motorists-steal-moment-overtake-slow-marchers-moved-way-ambulance.html

And gently "nudging with a bus" is legal, is it DiamondLily?

Reading that article it strikes me as a good one to use with children when discussing critical thinking. Just getting them to highlight all the trigger words and discuss why the Mail uses them.

Well, no one was hurt. The protestors had to move, and people went about their business.

Seems like a solution.👍

Lathyrus

My solution is Just Stop Reproducing Humans.

But not many people would go along with that😬

Well, when I said that, I was told the birth rate needed to increase to pay the pensions of the generations above them.

The birth rate in many countries has decreased but it is not so easy to persuade some countries and cultures that this is an answer.

Short-term pain for long-term gain.

There seems to be a strong correlation between the 'Outraged' in this thread and GNs who, on other threads, are unsympathetic to immigration. The irony is that if we don't get climate change under control, vast areas of our planet will become difficult to thrive in, and people will have no choice but to move elsewhere.

And still nobody has come up with any suggestions as to how to manage without oil😬

Because they can’t?

So the same old “somebody “ should do “something”.

Slow marching isn’t going to create any solution, is it?
So what’s the point?

If it was a demonstration to say Stop Oil and do this instead, I could support it.

But it isn’t 🙁

The traffic builds up and fuel is unnecessarily used. There must be other ways to protest which make their point without causing all sorts of havoc and distress. If you have waited for an appointment which is really important or you need to get to see a sick loved one then yes you can easily wish something violent on those who don’t care a dam about your stress.

Maremia
No right minded person would deny that we are in trouble.
The problem we have now,is, we have left it took late because of the head in the sand attitude.
And now the powers that be are running around like headless chickens trying to fix the roof when the walls are crumbling.
They are trying to move too quickly.
Scientists were warning us a long long time ago and, we’re coming up with ideas but it was too easy to rely on the oil producing states, and look where that has got us, not just relying on oil.

www.discover.ukri.org/a-brief-history-of-climate-change-discoveries/index.html

Lathyrus

My solution is Just Stop Reproducing Humans.

But not many people would go along with that😬

They probably wouldn't - because it's unrealistic.

You may not have reproduced yourself - but you (presumably) had that option, and now you want to prevent anyone else from having the same.

In plants, animals and in humans - reproduction is innate.

The solution is for humans to act - with all the information available, that should not be an impossibility in practical terms.

How you persuade people and governments to do so is another matter ( and I'm not bright enough to fathom how to do that) - but clearly, the protestors have reached a point where they are no longer a "novelty" and are not achieving their goal because they are simply antagonising people... many (most?) of whom will already be aware of the seriousness of the matter. And you cannot, simply, 'just stop oil' anyway. Their aims may be noble but their methods are self-defeating. Perhaps they need a campaign that is driven by positivity - being a public nuisance might work for the first couple of episodes of protest, but after that, it just becomes old-hat and the message is lost.

Perhaps the JSO organisers could hire a site (like Glastonbury) and create an 'event' where they can show us how we can live life without oil... I don't know quite what the answer is, as I said, I don't have the brain for this kind of thing. But I do recognise the importance of climate change. And I also know that at a time of economic distress for millions of people, making their lives even more stressful will not compel them to demand that their government get its act together (except to arrest them). You have to engage people so they feel invested in the cause, not alienate them.

We seem to thrive on doom and drama

I've go to the stage where I'm weary of it all.

During the 70s we were told we were heading into a new Ice Age

80s saw us all about to go to war. CND was marching all over the place. Good job they didn't succeed. AIDS was starting to be discussed and I recall reading that every person on the planet might be infected by the year 2000.

We were also told that the Maldives would be underwater by the year 2000. I went last year. Wasn't underwater.

Ozone layer. That was going to get bigger and bigger but it didn't. I recall being told that Australia's Barrier Reef was dying and it was all pale. That's OK now.

Mad Cow disease. New variant CJD. Don't eat beef. Salmonella, don't eat eggs, thanks Edwina.

Stop the War protests. 2003. Not a bad thing to protest against but wars have not stopped.

Protests now about pay.

But we do seem to enjoy thinking that the world is about to die. And I just don't believe it is. The climate has been changing forever. Very good documentary called Earth on BBC 1. First episode called Inferno. When 90% of all species were wiped out. Havoc and destruction. 252 million years ago, I don't know what caused it but it wasn't humans.

Stephen Hawking reckoned that humans would be eventually eradicated in 10 thousand years. Who knows. But I shan't worry about it.

I am sure that humans have caused a great deal of damage. We're the worst beasts on the planet.

But I think nature is a lot stronger than all of us.

I didn’t say I wanted to prevent people reproducing.

I’m offering a reduction in the number of human beings on the plant as the only real long term solution. Everything else is just a delaying tactic.

Of course people won’t do it. Every body always finds a reason why the particular thing that is important to them should be exempted.

Maremia

There seems to be a strong correlation between the 'Outraged' in this thread and GNs who, on other threads, are unsympathetic to immigration. The irony is that if we don't get climate change under control, vast areas of our planet will become difficult to thrive in, and people will have no choice but to move elsewhere.

Such a good point Maremia. We have been warned about this but there are those it pays to deflect populations from considering it, sadly.

svtoen

1. China is probably leading the world in green technology and alternatives to fossil fuels. 2. Never ever take anything the Mail prints as gospel 3. The normal protests work so well don’t they?! What can the mail and other complainers here suggest might lead to taking care of our planet?

China is also building 80 new coal fired power stations a year, so your point is? Climate change happens - its happened many times over billions of years, that we think we can do anything to stop it is sheer arrogance! We need to be looking at mitigations, not wasting huge amounts of money and making people poorer and colder for something that will never be achieved (net zero). Oh and do not get me started on the conflation of weather with climate change!

Dickens

Lathyrus

My solution is Just Stop Reproducing Humans.

But not many people would go along with that😬

They probably wouldn't - because it's unrealistic.

You may not have reproduced yourself - but you (presumably) had that option, and now you want to prevent anyone else from having the same.

In plants, animals and in humans - reproduction is innate.

The solution is for humans to act - with all the information available, that should not be an impossibility in practical terms.

How you persuade people and governments to do so is another matter ( and I'm not bright enough to fathom how to do that) - but clearly, the protestors have reached a point where they are no longer a "novelty" and are not achieving their goal because they are simply antagonising people... many (most?) of whom will already be aware of the seriousness of the matter. And you cannot, simply, 'just stop oil' anyway. Their aims may be noble but their methods are self-defeating. Perhaps they need a campaign that is driven by positivity - being a public nuisance might work for the first couple of episodes of protest, but after that, it just becomes old-hat and the message is lost.

Perhaps the JSO organisers could hire a site (like Glastonbury) and create an 'event' where they can show us how we can live life without oil... I don't know quite what the answer is, as I said, I don't have the brain for this kind of thing. But I do recognise the importance of climate change. And I also know that at a time of economic distress for millions of people, making their lives even more stressful will not compel them to demand that their government get its act together (except to arrest them). You have to engage people so they feel invested in the cause, not alienate them.

I think it was tongue in cheek.
Perhaps a two child policy?

Oh, that was tried before somewhere, wasn't it?

Lathyrus

I didn’t say I wanted to prevent people reproducing.

I’m offering a reduction in the number of human beings on the plant as the only real long term solution. Everything else is just a delaying tactic.

Of course people won’t do it. Every body always finds a reason why the particular thing that is important to them should be exempted.

But apparently, the birth rate in the UK is already dropping. Apart from that woman, whose name escapes me, who has 22 (I think) children - aren't large families becoming a thing of the past?

Other cultures than our own are often producing large numbers of children (by comparison anyway) in countries which are already being dramatically affected by climate change.

So where do you want to start?

Of course people won’t do it. Every body always finds a reason why the particular thing that is important to them should be exempted

But this isn't just a 'thing' is it? It's an innate instinct in animals and humans. On a practical level - how the heck would you go about it? Do you tell those in the so-called 'civilised' world to seriously consider not having children, or appeal to those in the developing world to consider the planet and limit the number of children they have? To an extent, the developing countries rely on the first world countries, so how do we go about this?

Kind of tongue in cheek but serious.

A much reduced human population would tackle most of the problems quite simply and easily.

A three child limit would hold the population steady but it’s already way over what the planet can sustain long term.

Eventually it will reduce through brutal means. War and famine and disease. It’s a pity we can be sensible enough to do it kindly instead🤔