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But we are producing fewer humans. Birth rates have fallen below replacement rate in many European and Asian countries. Most other countries have fallen to replacement rate only. The only area with growing populations is Africa and the Middle East.

The current rise in population is not fuelled by births but by longevity. Worldwide our generation is living much longer than previous generations.

That should even out in the next 50 years and life expectancy growth has slowed down and begun to stick. By the end of the century population will have stabilised and may already be declining.

Lathyrus

Kind of tongue in cheek but serious.

A much reduced human population would tackle most of the problems quite simply and easily.

A three child limit would hold the population steady but it’s already way over what the planet can sustain long term.

Eventually it will reduce through brutal means. War and famine and disease. It’s a pity we can be sensible enough to do it kindly instead🤔

A three child limit would hold the population steady but it’s already way over what the planet can sustain long term.

Which, to an informed and educated individual in the western world, would seem reasonable, and certainly not draconian. Particularly as there appear to be a number of people who have already made the choice to limit the number of children they have - and some have decided not to have any.

But we are not really the problem are we? How do you convince those in under-developed nations... rural farmers for example who, because they don't have access to the latest technology, actually need larger families to maintain their livelihoods? That's apart from the cultural reasons why some have large families.

To some extent, I think you're preaching to the converted in the western world, if you see what I mean. Among the people I know there are at least 5 I can think of who've made the conscious decision to limit the size of their family. My own son told me after the birth of his second son... "that's it, Mum, two is enough for me and the planet". Because he's also concerned about climate change. Interestingly, he now lives in South Africa and has worked in the townships for an NGA. He told me that poverty affects those people living in them in such a way that it is often seen as something positive to have children. It is an emotional comfort to them - something we don't understand.

Just Stop Oil s not expecting the supply of oil to the UK to stop right now like some of you seem to believe. What they actually want is for the government not to issue any more licences for oil, gas and coal extraction.

Here's a link to a BBC report from 5 July,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63543307

Dinahmo

Just Stop Oil s not expecting the supply of oil to the UK to stop right now like some of you seem to believe. What they actually want is for the government not to issue any more licences for oil, gas and coal extraction.

Here's a link to a BBC report from 5 July,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63543307

Well yes, but then what? After the current supplies run out.

Sailing ships?

What’s the practical vision of an oiled, gasless, coaless society?

How will we feed the current population when food can no longer be transported quickly and cheaply.

M0nica

But we are producing fewer humans. Birth rates have fallen below replacement rate in many European and Asian countries. Most other countries have fallen to replacement rate only. The only area with growing populations is Africa and the Middle East.

The current rise in population is not fuelled by births but by longevity. Worldwide our generation is living much longer than previous generations.

That should even out in the next 50 years and life expectancy growth has slowed down and begun to stick. By the end of the century population will have stabilised and may already be declining.

Umm, no.

The UN prediction is that world population will increase by another 2billion in the next 30 years to over 9billion.
And go on increasing.

The estimate of the number that can live sustainable is around 3 billion.

We’re the problem. Humans.

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Given that the UK only contributes 1% to CO2 production and these trouble making activists choose to disrupt here in a tolerant country where the police often refuse to engage in protests, I can only think it is a case of, ‘the devil makes work for idle hands.’ Why don’t ER protest in China or India or the USA , major producers of CO2? And, of course, that is a rhetorical question.

Lathyrus The UN predictions for future population have been under attack for some time from many population experts for over estimating future world population

You may find this link make interesting reading www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02522-6

Lathyrus

Dinahmo

Just Stop Oil s not expecting the supply of oil to the UK to stop right now like some of you seem to believe. What they actually want is for the government not to issue any more licences for oil, gas and coal extraction.

Here's a link to a BBC report from 5 July,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63543307

Well yes, but then what? After the current supplies run out.

Sailing ships?

What’s the practical vision of an oiled, gasless, coaless society?

How will we feed the current population when food can no longer be transported quickly and cheaply.

Wind, sea, sun?

Good for him, these protesters are creating havoc everywhere. If these so called protesters are so dedicated to their cause, why are they using cars, trains and planes to get to their next protest.
In my opinion that is hypocrisy at its absolute best.

Dinahmo

Lathyrus

Dinahmo

Just Stop Oil s not expecting the supply of oil to the UK to stop right now like some of you seem to believe. What they actually want is for the government not to issue any more licences for oil, gas and coal extraction.

Here's a link to a BBC report from 5 July,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63543307

Well yes, but then what? After the current supplies run out.

Sailing ships?

What’s the practical vision of an oiled, gasless, coaless society?

How will we feed the current population when food can no longer be transported quickly and cheaply.

Wind, sea, sun?

I think you’ll find the sea is something to battle for the most of the time when getting around the world. The wind is unpredictable and no ship could carry enough solar plates to propel it against these two.

I’m afraid that won’t work for food supplies.

M0nica, thank you for taking time to post the article on population. Unfortunately it’s behind a paywall.

But thank you anyway🙂

DrWatson

The comment from GermanShepherdsMum is QUITE CORRECT. These people are spoiled pillocks. Hopefully one or more will get seriously injured soon. In their first set of daft demos, they stopped an ambulance getting to hospital (patient either damaged for life or DOA, I forget), and one of the vehicles they blocked (polluting away in a traffic jam) was a truck taking insulation material to a DIY store. Chris Packham was on a radio i'view recently, singing their praises, and referred to himself "driving round the M25". There's a joke there somewhere . . .

Hopefully one or more will get seriously injured soon

Vile. Utterly vile. How can anyone justify a remark such as that.

I heard this yesterday lunchtime on BBC Radio 4 (it's a quick 7 min listen, and I found it extraordinary / appalling).
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g1y1gf

Whatever you think of their tactics, Just Stop Oil are making headlines. That oaf who crashed his car - he didn't just attack the Just Stop Oil protester, he physically threatened a passer-by who intervened, he didn't comfort his obviously distraught partner, just pointed at the door of the car to her - people on here seem more concerned about her welfare than him. Crashed his car and took it out on a nearby target.

He's driving a 15 year old Mercedes with 167g/km emission in Central London. (My 5 year old Toyota Aygo is, by comparison, 93g/km). *Anything less than 100g/km can be considered low – or good – CO2 emissions.

>The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has said today that further bold action is urgently needed to tackle London’s filthy air, as new analysis by researchers from Imperial College London shows air pollution contributed to over 1,700 hospital admissions for asthma and COPD between 2017 and 2019. < Source - www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/cleaner-air-would-help-150000-breathe-easier

I'm not condoning the actions of Just Stop Oil, but I am very concerned for our future - I'm not talking about the personal use of oil for heating, for running a car, but this Government has given the green light for a new coal mine in Cumbria! Listen, please, to the Radio 4 piece.

Just wondering McFizz. If you think it’s utterly vile to wish harm on someone, what do you think of people who actually cause harm to others by preventing ambulances and surgeons reaching the hospital?

Why do you think one is vile and the other is laudable?

More kick back from the public today.
news.sky.com/story/just-stop-oil-protesters-shoved-off-the-road-during-slow-march-in-london-12924746

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To the Poster who mentioned the ozone layer up-thread, yes that situation has improved, but was it by magic? No, it was because global governments took the correct action, in time. The Maldives are still above water. Is that your way of saying the sea is not rising due to climate change? Check out what is happening in Fiji just now. Villages are being moved inland and uphill. Even graveyards will be relocated. That is not a frivolous undertaking. There are many strategies that could be used to save the planet, but denial is not one of the better ones.

Lathyrus

Just wondering McFizz. If you think it’s utterly vile to wish harm on someone, what do you think of people who actually cause harm to others by preventing ambulances and surgeons reaching the hospital?

Why do you think one is vile and the other is laudable?

The man in the Mercedes contributes to - quote - over 1,700 hospital admissions for asthma and COPD between 2017 and 2019 - unquote. That man attacked one person, and threatened, physically threatened, a passer-by who intervened trying to stop him - someone not connected with Just Stop Oil who saw a man in the road being kicked in the head.

Where did I say I found the actions of Just Stop Oil "laudable"? I did ask if anyone else had heard the BBC Radio 4 interview with Climate Professor Sir Robert Watson (British chemist who has worked on atmospheric science issues including ozone depletion, global warming and paleoclimatology since the 1980s.).

Wishing, hoping for harm on another person is disgusting, in my opinion. Like they were a mugger, a paedophile, or something. I don't agree with the actions of Just Stop Oil, but I understand the message they want to get across and you can't deny they are all over the media with their actions.

More from Professor Watson here - www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/robert-watson-world-earth-scientists-astrazeneca-b2378727.html - please take the time to read it.

Dinahmo

Lathyrus

Dinahmo

Just Stop Oil s not expecting the supply of oil to the UK to stop right now like some of you seem to believe. What they actually want is for the government not to issue any more licences for oil, gas and coal extraction.

Here's a link to a BBC report from 5 July,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63543307

Well yes, but then what? After the current supplies run out.

Sailing ships?

What’s the practical vision of an oiled, gasless, coaless society?

How will we feed the current population when food can no longer be transported quickly and cheaply.

Wind, sea, sun?

Horse and cart, stagecoach.

I get the message that JSO are shouting from the rooftops but am beginning to think, very pessimistically, that we have missed the boat.
If we want China to stop using the fossil fuels that Australia is shipping to them in vast quantities then we have to stop buying unnecessary goods from them.
Some things are unavoidable but perhaps we have to look at all the things we absolutely don’t need.
These are items that make our lives ‘fun’ but serve no useful purpose.
Perhaps we should have a thread on what we could easily live without?

Did anyone see the reports in the press yesterday saying that people in the Med had been holding their mobiles showing the projected temperatures directly underneath led street signs showing the actual temperature as 10c lower. Has anyone noticed the colouration showing temperatures on maps has changed so dark purple no denotes the highest temperatures.

Also the Times showed a map yesterday showing the hottest temperatures ever recorded in spots around Europe. Remarkably many of these were recorded in the first half of the 20th century. Unfortunately it’s behind a paywall so can’t share.

I’m not saying that there is nothing in climate change because it changes all the time but I think there is an agenda to scare us all to death.

Just started reading the new Peter May novel 'A Winter Grave'. It takes place mainly in 2050, in a Scotland with an inundated coastline. Thought some folk on here might like to try it.
glammagran, think Climate Change itself is the one with the agenda to scare us to actual death!

Top story on BBC online page just now. 'Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharterd territory'

82% of the population know and are worried by global warming. Evcry thing ER does adds to it.

Why don't ER do something useful like demonstrating at the entrance of huge housing estates where solar panels on the roof are not standard?

Why do they not set up a commune or colony somewhere and show us how to live a net zero life, with nothing oil based in their lives, no plastic shoes, ployester clothes, everything brought on site by vehicles, where no oil has been used in their manufacture or use.

Why do they not try and inspire us to greater efforts and multiple small changes in our own lives that we can see understand and use to inform our own lives.

Any idiot can demonstrate. Only clever and charismatic people can show us how to live a better life.