White Privilege - MET Police

Was that in the 1950s?

Blimey

You should report it to the police as discrimination

If you have close friends and family who have been constantly and repetitively stopped, questionned, often in a very confrontational was

Oddly enough, they haven't.
🤔

VioletSky

It's a sad watch Fleur

She was only pulling away from them towards her son

She wasn't screaming, she was confused and upset

I found it and just watched it. She was not given the chance to show her ticket, just arrested and handcuffed. And was really upset she was separated from her son.

GrannyGravy- that is racism- what is your point?

Ive literally only read that word in books about America... And I lived in a very diverse borough of London for a long time

VioletSky

Was that in the 1950s?

Blimey

You should report it to the police as discrimination

No, London now

My mum was told the same, a divorcee Protestant with one child, when she fell in love and married my Catholic dad.

This whole thing need never have occurred. I travel on various parts of the London travel system. They lose so much money with fare avoidance/stealing, that there are ticket inspectors more often than not.

Good - because stealing costs us all more money.

99.9% of the population, all and any cultures, produce proof of payment and then go about their business.

No dramas, no upset. Nothing.

That's all that needs to happen.🙄

Has anyone seen a video of how it all started and how she was approached?

From LBC.

A bus worker called Joe, who was helping with the fare inspection operation and saw the whole incident, said that he was often subject to fare evaders who become abusive.

He told LBC's Nick Ferrari on Monday: "The inspector told her to please show the pass and she started being abusive to the inspector.

"And when the police asked her to show the pass, she started abusing the police as well. She could have just shown the pass and walked away - and that would have been the end of the matter."

He added: "She committed an offence by failing to show her pass when requested.

"And then the next thing to then verbally abuse the police and inspectors - and that was why she was detained."

The woman did not offer an explanation for why she didn't want to show her pass, the witness said.

He added: "Every single day we are subjected to abuses by people who fail to show their pass or people who fail to pay.

"It is a constant thing - it is a daily occurrence."

Joe said: "We are very concerned about our safety and we are constantly trained about how to deal with situations."

Thank you Maggiemaybe. She reacted badly, for sure. We don't know why- we can only guess.

We also know of course, that Indian and Black drivers are abused and harrassed more often than others.

This really is the proverbial storm in a teacup

You have to purchase a ticket or have a pass to access public transport, if/when anyone is asked to show it by a ticket inspector they are obliged to do so.

If anyone refuses to comply of course the ticket inspector will become suspicious, and if that person goes on to verbally abuse the inspector he is within his rights to call the transport police.

Sorry I meant to add this applies to people of all ages, colour ability and or disability.

The young security guard at the Manchester Arena didn't follow his concerns about the bomber because he was scared of being branded a racist.
I wonder whether incidents like the challenging of this lady over the ticket will affect ticket inspectors who also might be scared of being branded a racist. I'm not sure what the answer is.

Jaffacake2

The young security guard at the Manchester Arena didn't follow his concerns about the bomber because he was scared of being branded a racist.
I wonder whether incidents like the challenging of this lady over the ticket will affect ticket inspectors who also might be scared of being branded a racist. I'm not sure what the answer is.

This young man was probably very inexperienced and lacked training.

It's become a stock answer when there are failings e.g. the police in Oldham regarding the abused girls to say they didn't want to appear racist.

It's just an excuse.

She wasn't abusive in the video

Though it’s been pointed out several times in the thread that the filming only started at the end of the incident.

There is evidence of non abusive behaviour, no evidence of abusive behaviour

If I didn't believe the evidence that would be unconscious bias

Okay then.

If I didn't believe the evidence that would be unconscious bias.
If you only believe the evidence which supports your POV, that’s concious bias.

I do hate it when police on mass assist staff on ticket checks but I always co operate knowing if I leave they will persist

Security and checking on all forms of London transport systems have increased.

DD's friend is a ticket inspector, and what he says, they do get a lot of threats and abuse when they ask for proof of payment, which is why the Transport police are often called.

More ticket/pass inspections. Many stations have regular visits from the police with the dogs - I think it's for drugs and knives. They walk the dogs past people.

I don't see the problem - just produce the pass, and know that if you're carrying drugs, you may get a tug. No bias, they walk the dogs past all people.

This whole thing is a silly drama over a reasonable request.🙄

I believe the only evidence we have so far

VioletSky

I believe the only evidence we have so far

So you believe that she refused to show her pass or her ticket. That’s good.

What are you talking about now Mollygo?

All I know is there was a complete over reaction about a bus ticket that traumatised a young boy. Mum was obviously confused and was manhandled for minutes after showing her bus ticket to police.

That's what I object too

Oh, I read that she didn’t show her pass/ticket when asked. Are you saying that’s not true?