Brexit Import controls delayed for the FOURTH TIME!

I find the "Brexit doesn't affect me so I don't care" quite sickening. I have now been trying for months to renew my Swedish passport at the Swedish embassy in London. Booking list is full. Embassy is understaffed since they now need visas and this has complicated matters. I have lived and worked in the UK for 50 years, children and grandchildren live here. I would like to see my Swedish relatives but can't thanks to Brexit so yes, it does affect me and others. But who cares?
I know this has nothing to do with imports/exports but I'm so fed up with hearing how nothing has changed/we still go on holiday in the EU etc.

Even the rich who can afford to go skiing- and will get stuck in the long queues, be it at the airports or Calais- and py much higher costs. But it is not about them ...

I know a few people who go skiing and wouldn't call them rich, just comfortably off.
The rich wouldn't get stuck in queues as they'd go by private jet.

I've been stuck in long queues before Brexit. It was because of heightened security at airports.

Germanshepherdsmum

Not this again! And OP doesn’t live in the UK or the EU.

Indeed, Maizie.

Good point.

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

Not this again! And OP doesn’t live in the UK or the EU.

Indeed, Maizie.

Good point.

But because the country where you live (whatever your nationality) has a different relationship with the EU which sounds interesting.

Would it be worth the UK pursuing a closer relationship with the EU along the same lines?

It is indeed the UK that is getting badly damaged, in 100s of ways- including unchecked imports from EU. If they have ny rotten or diseased meat to get rid or faulty goods, they can just send them here

Well, that makes the EU sound extremely unethical. Quite disgusting, in fact - selling rotten or diseased meat. Do they have no standards?

Why did I vote to remain in such an institution?

Callistemon21

^It is indeed the UK that is getting badly damaged, in 100s of ways- including unchecked imports from EU. If they have ny rotten or diseased meat to get rid or faulty goods, they can just send them here^

Well, that makes the EU sound extremely unethical. Quite disgusting, in fact - selling rotten or diseased meat. Do they have no standards?

Why did I vote to remain in such an institution?

It doesn't make the EU unethical. The EU isn't an individual, it's essentially a regulatory body which endeavours to provide a level playing field for trade between its members.

It is individuals within the EU who, like similar individuals worldwide, are unethical. Outside the EU we don't have recourse to any EU disciplinary bodies to deal with abuses of regulatory standards. And we are choosing not to implement import controls because it would not only cause delays at the border but also add to the cost of imported food.

Callistemon21

^It is indeed the UK that is getting badly damaged, in 100s of ways- including unchecked imports from EU. If they have ny rotten or diseased meat to get rid or faulty goods, they can just send them here^

Well, that makes the EU sound extremely unethical. Quite disgusting, in fact - selling rotten or diseased meat. Do they have no standards?

Why did I vote to remain in such an institution?

And those receiving the supposed rotten meat? What are they doing with it? Unless people are regulated, and constantly checked they will find ways to fiddle the system. People are the same the world over.

Callistemon21

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

Not this again! And OP doesn’t live in the UK or the EU.

Indeed, Maizie.

Good point.

But because the country where you live (whatever your nationality) has a different relationship with the EU which sounds interesting.

Would it be worth the UK pursuing a closer relationship with the EU along the same lines?

Now that is an interesting question. Remember at the time, a great deal was talked about a Norway style deal, similar to the one the UK has with Switzerland. That would have been quite possible, but Johnson chose to go for the hardest of deals. Norway style would have had one condition, not negotiable, and that would have been Free Movement of People.

Callistemon21

^It is indeed the UK that is getting badly damaged, in 100s of ways- including unchecked imports from EU. If they have ny rotten or diseased meat to get rid or faulty goods, they can just send them here^

Well, that makes the EU sound extremely unethical. Quite disgusting, in fact - selling rotten or diseased meat. Do they have no standards?

Why did I vote to remain in such an institution?

It wouldn't be 'the EU' it would be those dishonest fraudsters, individuals or groups, mafia or otherwise- to take advantage of the fact there are currently NO checks at all for goods coming in to the UK. Because the UK has not organised for them, has not implemented them (now for the 4th time), and because the UK does not have the staff or the vets, to carry out the checks anyhow. In such circumstances, sadly, individuals and groups will take advantage- NOT THE EU.

Callistemon21

^Even the rich who can afford to go skiing- and will get stuck in the long queues, be it at the airports or Calais- and py much higher costs. But it is not about them^ ...

I know a few people who go skiing and wouldn't call them rich, just comfortably off.
The rich wouldn't get stuck in queues as they'd go by private jet.

I've been stuck in long queues before Brexit. It was because of heightened security at airports.

Yes, skiing became available to a much wider audience in last 20-30 years. But with Sterling being so low, and bills back home going up and up due to inflation, added to inflation in the countries of destination- it seems that it will once again, be a sport and destinations for the very well off/rich.

As for the queues- surely you do read the news, and are aware that proper checks for passports + stamping, and proper checks for outgoing and incoming goods- will make the queues much worse, at airports, but mainly in Dover and Folkestones, and especially at key times like Christmas, Feb haf-term, easter, and July/August + october half term.

But truly, this thread is not about skiing for goodness sake!

As for meat coming in and other produce- it is not about it being 'rotten' it is about possible diseases like foot and mouth, TB, and other.

Just buy British meat, dairy and vegetables, no need for excessive food miles

Fleurpepper there is absolutely no point trying to have a reasoned discussion regarding the relationship between U.K. and EU with you as you are so anti U.K. and all for everything being so much better in the EU.

I suggest you look at food bank use in Germany (2 million at the last count) and the fact that 1 in 6 of the population is deemed to be living in poverty (all verifiable on line) the grass isn’t always greener elsewhere.

Several UK businesses have commented that EU suppliers will no longer do business with them as it's too complicated post-Brexit. The present Tory government needs to do better. The recent fallback to the EC mark (an announcement slipped out after Parliament rose) after businesses spent millions preparing for a UK kitemark (sovereignty nonsense of course) shows they have finally realised what business has been telling them for years after Brexit - that trade is facilitated by common standards, not divergent ones despite all the twaddle about Global Britain.

GrannyGravy13

Just buy British meat, dairy and vegetables, no need for excessive food miles

Fleurpepper there is absolutely no point trying to have a reasoned discussion regarding the relationship between U.K. and EU with you as you are so anti U.K. and all for everything being so much better in the EU.

I suggest you look at food bank use in Germany (2 million at the last count) and the fact that 1 in 6 of the population is deemed to be living in poverty (all verifiable on line) the grass isn’t always greener elsewhere.

No, a million times no. Buy British is for those in rural areas and those with the means to do so. Not sure if you have noticed, but we have a real cost of living crisis- with people not sure how they are going to feed themselves or their children- and this in the middle of summer. It will get much worse this winter due to high cost of energy and so much more. Saying 'just eat British meat' is so so entitled and totally unrealistic currently for most. That meat will not go to your local butcher's, but into all sorts of ready made produce, etc- cheap burgers, etc, that YOU will not eat.

And NO, I will not write a whole page again about the fact I care so much for what is happening to the UK, my country as well as yours, where my pension comes from, where I still pay taxes and have property, where all my family incl GCs and most of our friends live- makes me anti UK - not one single tiny weeny bit. Au contraire, and I have said so so many times.

Extremely rude, wrong, bordering on bullying- is to target all my posts, and instead of discussing the issue, just go for personal attack and say 'nowt to do with you, you foreigner' (because, yes, this is what you are saying).

A bit like Jendrick and all the Cons now, who will just turn any criticism into a personal attack in Starmer, or the Labour Party- instead of answering the question.

Where I live is 100% totally irrelevant to the point made in the OP.

There are indeed issues due to inflation, Covid and the war in Ukraine all over EU- that is true. But it has nothing to do with the issue in the OP. And as said before, it is because issues caused by above Covid and Ukraine is affecting all- that it will make it much more difficult for UK to access good, parts, foods, and all the things we can't produce ourselves (like essential chemicals and many medicines and treatments - which are, btw, coming in unchecked and we have no idea if some groups have targetted this sector too. The Mafia and other such groups are having a field day- and there is nothing the EU can do about it).

But truly, this thread is not about skiing for goodness sake!

But you brought the subject up, not me, FleurP

Fleurpepper

Callistemon21

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

Not this again! And OP doesn’t live in the UK or the EU.

Indeed, Maizie.

Good point.

But because the country where you live (whatever your nationality) has a different relationship with the EU which sounds interesting.

Would it be worth the UK pursuing a closer relationship with the EU along the same lines?

Now that is an interesting question. Remember at the time, a great deal was talked about a Norway style deal, similar to the one the UK has with Switzerland. That would have been quite possible, but Johnson chose to go for the hardest of deals. Norway style would have had one condition, not negotiable, and that would have been Free Movement of People.

I think it was Theresa May, surprisingly.

Fleurpepper

GrannyGravy13

Just buy British meat, dairy and vegetables, no need for excessive food miles

Fleurpepper there is absolutely no point trying to have a reasoned discussion regarding the relationship between U.K. and EU with you as you are so anti U.K. and all for everything being so much better in the EU.

I suggest you look at food bank use in Germany (2 million at the last count) and the fact that 1 in 6 of the population is deemed to be living in poverty (all verifiable on line) the grass isn’t always greener elsewhere.

No, a million times no. Buy British is for those in rural areas and those with the means to do so. Not sure if you have noticed, but we have a real cost of living crisis- with people not sure how they are going to feed themselves or their children- and this in the middle of summer. It will get much worse this winter due to high cost of energy and so much more. Saying 'just eat British meat' is so so entitled and totally unrealistic currently for most. That meat will not go to your local butcher's, but into all sorts of ready made produce, etc- cheap burgers, etc, that YOU will not eat.

And NO, I will not write a whole page again about the fact I care so much for what is happening to the UK, my country as well as yours, where my pension comes from, where I still pay taxes and have property, where all my family incl GCs and most of our friends live- makes me anti UK - not one single tiny weeny bit. Au contraire, and I have said so so many times.

Extremely rude, wrong, bordering on bullying- is to target all my posts, and instead of discussing the issue, just go for personal attack and say 'nowt to do with you, you foreigner' (because, yes, this is what you are saying).

A bit like Jendrick and all the Cons now, who will just turn any criticism into a personal attack in Starmer, or the Labour Party- instead of answering the question.

Where I live is 100% totally irrelevant to the point made in the OP.

There are indeed issues due to inflation, Covid and the war in Ukraine all over EU- that is true. But it has nothing to do with the issue in the OP. And as said before, it is because issues caused by above Covid and Ukraine is affecting all- that it will make it much more difficult for UK to access good, parts, foods, and all the things we can't produce ourselves (like essential chemicals and many medicines and treatments - which are, btw, coming in unchecked and we have no idea if some groups have targetted this sector too. The Mafia and other such groups are having a field day- and there is nothing the EU can do about it).

GG is so right. Fp’s views are very inflexible.

Why fp thinks buying British food is only for people in rural areas and the better off is impossible to understand. Markets and supermarkets in all areas sell British food, and it doesn’t have to be expensive. I pay more for high welfare locally reared meat and free range eggs. Factory farmed meat and battery eggs are available at much lower cost throughout the UK. I really don’t like someone who has chosen to live abroad telling me how things are in my country and being critical of it. I find it offensive.

I was a bit stunned to read that only people in rural areas can buy British food. This is so absurd it's laughable.

A very ignorant comment

No, a million times no. Buy British is for those in rural areas and those with the means to do so. Not sure if you have noticed, but we have a real cost of living crisis -with people not sure how they are going to feed themselves or their children- and this in the middle of summer.
So, a cost of living crisis in Switzerland? Whoulda thunk it?
If on the other hand FP is yet again telling us about the UK, I would take serious issue with the statement about buying British being for the well heeled in rural areas.
Walthamstow Market is cheap and cheerful, but with excellent quality food. So a “No” on both counts. As is Tooting Broadway Market. And no doubt many others in other towns around the country.

Please stop lecturing us as if you know better than we do what is on our own doorstep. And less heavy sarcasm about “not noticing we have a cost of living crisis”
Most of us are on pensions and not necessarily gold plated public service ones AND other countries are experiencing their own cost of living crisis.

Indeed. And you have to be well off too apparently.

OK Fleurpepper if you think my post of 10.13 is rude and verging on bullying you please report it.

: No, a million times no. Buy British is for those in rural areas and those with the means to do so.

Even though a large German supermarket chain (Aldi) strongly promotes their British products, especially meat and dairy which is almost entirely British

prestbury

: No, a million times no. Buy British is for those in rural areas and those with the means to do so.

Even though a large German supermarket chain (Aldi) strongly promotes their British products, especially meat and dairy which is almost entirely British

Absolutely Aldi are consistently at the top for the cheapest supermarket in the U.K., shops mainly on High Streets not out of town and full of British Products.

prestbury

: No, a million times no. Buy British is for those in rural areas and those with the means to do so.

Even though a large German supermarket chain (Aldi) strongly promotes their British products, especially meat and dairy which is almost entirely British

😄 I’m not sure where promoting German meat and dairy would get them. I’d seriously question their marketing techniques!

I'm wondering what the core message is here.

Is it that I should avoid French Brie in Tesco, Spanish satsumas and olive oil in Sainsbury's, and, one of my favourites, Greek or Italian Week in Lidl in case they are trying to palm rotten food off on me?
😲

This thread seems to have strayed off the point and into a criticism of anyone who is “other” and therefore can have no say. Do those of you who live in the sticks have any right to comment on anything that happens in London? Obviously not if we are to apply some of the logic on here. This all plays into the little island surrounded by sewage filled seas mentality. I’m ashamed of people who use phrases such as “ my country” when attacking others. Brexit has been an economic and social disaster which we should be still discussing as it is still impacting millions of us.