Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

The money being spent on futile plans for Rwanda and Ascension Island could be spent on training officers to assess asylum applicants sooner. The back log is huge. Surely we can do better than this? Where is our humanity ? Environmental issues will see even more people moving countries. What do we do then. I am sick of the “ I ‘m all right Jack attitude” and the vitriol being spewed out by certain media outlets. See the wider picture ladies please !!

Germanshepherdsmum

teachkate

^^^^Urmstongran
Well I think he speaks for the silent majority in this country. Decent, clean basic accommodation and 3 meals a day? Gym use. Free buses into Weymouth. Doctor and dentist on call. Pocket money. A mobile phone. A games room and library.

What did these migrants expect? Hotel bed and board? That’s what they’ve been hearing from their mates. It’s time to make being over here clean but basic so that a few phone calls back across the Channel put some migrants off paying extortionate fees to traffickers. We are such a soft touch. France laughs at our naïveté.

It’s time we in the UK woke up. £6 million PER DAY this is costing the taxpayer here. Yes, decent living quarters ought to be provided. But these migrants (assisted by Care4Calais and lawyers whose best interests are served by thwarting all proposals - money in their coffers by keeping this roundabout turning) need a reality check.

He certainly doesn’t speak for me nor offer my thoughts - by an accident of birth we all sit in judgement of these desperate refugees - ‘there but for the grace of God’ - we live in a free civilised country and should offer help to others

Why are they desperate? How many safe countries have they passed through?

He speaks for me. Perhaps the language comes from his Labour roots.

Of course he does GSM. I an see you have a lot in common as you say.

His language is unnecessary, but it doesn't bother me as much as the sentiment behind it. Basically it is the same racist ideas that Enoch Powell once expressed.
The deflection of blame from the Tory government to asylum seekers is incredible.
You don't have problems getting a GP appointment, or a national health dentist because of asylum seekers. There isn't a housing crisis because of asylum seekers, or a shortage of school places All of these are the fault of the Tory government The reason they keep emphasising the "great facilities" on the boat is simply to get you riled up, and you are being played.

Why doesn't he "f--k off" to France or anywhere else for that matter. More and more each day I feel like getting out of the U.K.
Everything all the time is geared towards these migrants and providing for their comforts. I seen the inside of the barge in Dorset on T.V. this morning and it looked very well equipped to me plus looking spotlessly clean.

All that is happening where I live is completely run down High Street devoid of any shops anymore and most of what is left is marked up to be bulldozed for more housing. Another food bank has opened because those who are working still cannot afford to buy food after paying their bills and the food banks want donations because of high demand.
The same homeless people are still on the street and maybe some of them are just begging but many are genuinely homeless and there is an area where at least 10 of them are staying in tents as they have no where else to go.
Many other amenities in the town are closing as they have lost their funding .
All in all it is damn depressing but don't complain as after all when your older you become almost invisible and no longer pay anything in towards the economy.
Politicians they are a waste of time and do very little for any of us.

Sorry, not sorry, neither the language nor message is acceptable from an MP, nor the “acceptance” from other MPs that this is acceptable

Pre Covid, I worked in a city school that had a large proportion of immigrant children and more arriving daily. The general intake was a mixture of very affluent families and those in extreme poverty. We were told that we should expect a child in our class - year 5 - who had no English. This was not this class's first extra pupil, nor the first with no English understanding.
One child in the class, who came from an affluent family and who was normally extremely polite, shook his head and said, 'Fucking hell, not another one! No wonder the school is doing so badly.'
I had a quiet word but he was right in that it affected the British born kids because so much time was spent catering to the incoming kids that little general education was able to take place and the school's ratings/results were dropping year on year. Staff were leaving in droves even then. I checked their website recently and they are now 'requires improvement' with Ofsted acknowledging the influx of immigrant kids as part of the reason why.

I’d just like to add, outrageous to suggest this language originated from his “labour roots” and to suggest this is the view of the “silent majority” Also these people are not “illegals”, be angry at the govt, be angry at the French govt laughing at us for sending millions of £££ to help with the issue of small boats crossing, be angry at the Home Office for being completely inefficient, be angry at the traffickers, be angry at the process, yes, some crossing are most definitely economic migrants, yes, we need to control migration, no, MPs should not be using language if this type and he certainly is speaking for me and my friends, if he was my MP I’d make a huge complaint !

ILOVEDRAGONFLIES

I could not agree less ! My children attended a huge multi cultural primary school, with 46 different languages, I was privileged to serve as a school governor for many many years. At the last Ofsted inspection it retained its “overall good” status and excellent in progress. One of the huge results of my children attending this school is that, without exception, all four of them are tolerant and accepting of all cultures, race, colour and creed.

We have a proud history of accepting refugees, remember Kinder Transport ? Most of us have NEVER experienced war or invasion in our country, nor fear of execution for speaking our views or favouring a particular political party. Frankly, there are times I am ashamed at some of the bigotry exhibited by fellow countrymen/women

Germanshepherdsmum

It is perfectly lawful to use part of the overseas aid budget on asylum seekers here. It’s not a ‘wheeze’.

We have been giving overseas aid for many years and it does little good given the corruption and tribal wars in many of the countries it goes to. Much of it is completely wasted.

The 'Wheeze' is allowing people to think that the money spent on refugees would otherwise be spent on housing UK families. Some of us are smart enough to know this is not true. Too many believe the lies spun by the Tories and their lapdogs in the popular press.

vegansrock

The Tories are trying to deflect from the fact that they are not going to “stop the boats” by shoving people into warehouses for years on end with nothing much to do. Yes there are alternatives - set up safe and legal routes, let people apply while they are outside the U.K., they can be fingerprinted, IDed, interviewed etc, if they are refused and rock up in a small boat they can be deported legally. If they are accepted they can travel safely. France have offered to help set a system up there but the government have refused to cooperate, maybe don’t want to be seen to work with the EU on anything. They are trying to coverup the fact that migration has increased since Brexit and the Dublin agreement which meant that they could be sent back has been revoked. This isn’t highlighted.

Thank goodness for a voice of reason - I can't begin to imagine what these people have gone through, to risk everything to try to get here for a peaceful, hardworking life. We've seen, thanks to Brexit, how much we rely on immigrants to support and enrich our workforce, our culture and yet still we have those who think they should all be 'sent back'.
Even if they are economic migrants - don't we wish the same freedoms for our children? Often the same people saying we should turn them away would be disgusted if their children, grandchildren, nephews and nieces weren't allowed to work abroad to enrich their knowledge and experience. The vast majority of immigrants, once processed, put far more back into the economy than they take out, but that fact is just glossed over.
Whatever happened to empathy?
And yes, as above, if we actually made applying from abroad easier, it would save a lot of money, death and distress, and not feed the traffickers pockets.

primrose53
Omg. What is wrong with you! I mean really. A young girl wore a T shirt at 16yrs of age, and you say that's she's now a Consultant Anaesthetist. Oh that's been sticking in your craw for years hasn't it.So let's just get this right. She studied really hard and got into University where she studied for 5years then studied for a further 9 years to become a Consultant. But forget all that and the lives she has most probably saved cos she wore a T shirt YOU didn't think was right when she was 16. Go and give your head a wobble. Gawd help anyone who makes certain choices when they are a child cos Primrose53 will put it in the bottom drawer and hold onto it for years,so that she can one day flaunt it on here. Go and give your head a wobble!

Ilovedragonflies

Pre Covid, I worked in a city school that had a large proportion of immigrant children and more arriving daily. The general intake was a mixture of very affluent families and those in extreme poverty. We were told that we should expect a child in our class - year 5 - who had no English. This was not this class's first extra pupil, nor the first with no English understanding.
One child in the class, who came from an affluent family and who was normally extremely polite, shook his head and said, 'Fucking hell, not another one! No wonder the school is doing so badly.'
I had a quiet word but he was right in that it affected the British born kids because so much time was spent catering to the incoming kids that little general education was able to take place and the school's ratings/results were dropping year on year. Staff were leaving in droves even then. I checked their website recently and they are now 'requires improvement' with Ofsted acknowledging the influx of immigrant kids as part of the reason why.

Well if a child "from and affluent family", or indeed any child, was permitted to use language like that in the school, and was only disciplined with "a quiet word", it is quite obvious why the school was failing.
I've worked in inner city schools with many children from hugely deprived backgrounds, all of those children knew that using such language in school was unacceptable. Sometimes when they were stressed or emotionally challenged they would swear, but most of them were completely regretful when they calmed down, expected to be disciplined and apologised profusely for swearing.

What people need are safe legal routes and much faster processing of claims. 73% of asylum claims are granted once their claim has been processed. So they were legal immigrants, not illegal. This Government are doing all they can to stir up hatred for others. I am ashamed that Lee Anderson is an MP, let alone deputy chair of the governing party.

Urmstongran

Well I think he speaks for the silent majority in this country. Decent, clean basic accommodation and 3 meals a day? Gym use. Free buses into Weymouth. Doctor and dentist on call. Pocket money. A mobile phone. A games room and library.

What did these migrants expect? Hotel bed and board? That’s what they’ve been hearing from their mates. It’s time to make being over here clean but basic so that a few phone calls back across the Channel put some migrants off paying extortionate fees to traffickers. We are such a soft touch. France laughs at our naïveté.

It’s time we in the UK woke up. £6 million PER DAY this is costing the taxpayer here. Yes, decent living quarters ought to be provided. But these migrants (assisted by Care4Calais and lawyers whose best interests are served by thwarting all proposals - money in their coffers by keeping this roundabout turning) need a reality check.

Well said!!! I totally agree with everything you've said. Many of our own are on the streets, or dying in mould ridden accommodation. They would probably love to to be housed on the Bibby Stockholm with all its facilities. Some of these illegal migrants have turned down the offer - Offer??? there shouldn't be a selection!

Some of you on here need to check your bigotry and remember that there is nothing illegal about seeking asylum. As for the term 'economic migrants', that applies to anyone who works in a country other than their own. Some on here may be among those numbers. Perhaps if the British could get their heads round the truth that this also makes them 'migrants' and not the 'expats' they like to think they are, we might have more equality in the world. Just thank the lord that none of you are likely to need to flee your country in a flimsy boat.

People are making so much fuss about the(few) people coming here in small boats but trust me this is just the tip of the iceberg of what is yet to come.

The problems of war and lack of human rights aside, with Global warming, caused by us all, there will be millions of people who can no longer sustain life in countries where heat, famine and floods will have made it impossible to live. There will be mass migrations, as anyone would in those conditions.

It's beyond time to take our future ability to survive on this planet seriously.

vegansrock

The silent majority are silent for a reason. They haven’t got a clue. 30p Lee is straight out of the Trump playbook. 30p Lee is so called as he claimed to be able to make meals for 30p, so no one needs to use a foodbank. Johnson said “ fuck business” when he was asked something about the negative up impact of Brexit on U.K. businesses, so it’s nothing new.

You haven’t seen any of his interviews clearly. Lee helps out in foodbanks and the ppl that run it were teaching ppl to cook. When you could cook a meal for 30p portion. That’s old news 🤣 as for what he said Well done Lee 👏👏👏 it’s about time someone said something it. As it’s what most normal ppl think as we watching our country going slowly down hill. They should be grateful for what they get France only gives them a tent maybe we should

How do you know what "most normal people think", Nanashirlz??

WonderBra, JanCl, Paperbackwriter
I agree with everything you said.

France is not a dangerous country for them, they are being offered safe accommodation and if they don’t like it then perhaps they should… France government said if U.K. didn’t make it all so easy there would be less illegal crossings. Remember these are not as far as I am aware, not families or children but mostly young men. Leaving a safe country, crossing illegally. His language might be a bit bad, but the message I agree with. I am not anti immigration and so many people do need a safe country, however young men not wanted to leave a hotel is not what I want to be paying taxes for…

Germanshepherdsmum

It is perfectly lawful to use part of the overseas aid budget on asylum seekers here. It’s not a ‘wheeze’.

We have been giving overseas aid for many years and it does little good given the corruption and tribal wars in many of the countries it goes to. Much of it is completely wasted.

It is not unlawful but it is unusual, we are the only G7 member to do this. Well we are now "wasting" (to use your phrase) less money than we were in 1997 and this has compromised the work of many charities that work to improve the lives of children and families in the poorest countries in the world. I actually find that extremely sad.

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/oct/29/billions-in-foreign-aid-never-leaves-britain-under-sunak-rules-analysis

sundowngirl

Urmstongran

Well I think he speaks for the silent majority in this country. Decent, clean basic accommodation and 3 meals a day? Gym use. Free buses into Weymouth. Doctor and dentist on call. Pocket money. A mobile phone. A games room and library.

What did these migrants expect? Hotel bed and board? That’s what they’ve been hearing from their mates. It’s time to make being over here clean but basic so that a few phone calls back across the Channel put some migrants off paying extortionate fees to traffickers. We are such a soft touch. France laughs at our naïveté.

It’s time we in the UK woke up. £6 million PER DAY this is costing the taxpayer here. Yes, decent living quarters ought to be provided. But these migrants (assisted by Care4Calais and lawyers whose best interests are served by thwarting all proposals - money in their coffers by keeping this roundabout turning) need a reality check.

Well said!!! I totally agree with everything you've said. Many of our own are on the streets, or dying in mould ridden accommodation. They would probably love to to be housed on the Bibby Stockholm with all its facilities. Some of these illegal migrants have turned down the offer - Offer??? there shouldn't be a selection!

My thoughts exactly. Well said.

Did anyone say this sort of thing in the World Wars? What must it be like in the places that people are escaping from, in order to make that journey? I wonder how much truth there is in stories of corrupt lawyers and bent doctors. As a society we are becoming nasty and - sadly - that's very evident in this thread. I'm shocked at the horrible attitude. It's a big, bad world out there, but it's getting smaller. We went out to plunder Africa and other places, and maybe now things will gradually even up. Pity we can't put a great big ten mile high wall around the UK - eh?

Paperbackwriter

Some of you on here need to check your bigotry and remember that there is nothing illegal about seeking asylum. As for the term 'economic migrants', that applies to anyone who works in a country other than their own. Some on here may be among those numbers. Perhaps if the British could get their heads round the truth that this also makes them 'migrants' and not the 'expats' they like to think they are, we might have more equality in the world. Just thank the lord that none of you are likely to need to flee your country in a flimsy boat.

I don't think some understand what is truth is Paperbackwriter.

One day the the boot may be on the other foot and we may be seeking safety. Then the same who winge about helping others beit "our own" or human beings from other countries will winge about Scotland, Wales and Ireland not letting us in. They will winge about not being allowed to be where their sense of entitlement tells them they should be - at the front of each and every queue.

We need a speedier system! People who enter the country illegally need to stopped and sorted promptly. Sent back immediately if not claiming asylum, given aid and humane conditions if fleeing, and decisions made quickly. Its not inhumane to keep people cooped up on a boat with all the basics (food, water, shelter, warmth, legal and emotional support and health care)- for a couple of weeks whilst paperwork is sorted out and careful decisions made promptly- but long delays could make conditions inhumane.