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Interesting article - Harry the trauma exhibitionist.

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RosesandLilac Mon 04-Sept-23 08:29:16

meron152.substack.com/p/prince-harry-the-trauma-exhibitionist
I came across this article posted on MN.
It strikes me as very perceptive as Harry yet again drags up his mother’s death at the Invictus Games.
It’s so inappropriate and disrespectful to those thousands of injured servicemen and their relatives that an over-privileged, extremely wealthy individual constantly turns the subject to himself.

WellsRose Fri 08-Sept-23 16:56:12

Anniebach

Never heard of him ,perhaps WellRose will share her knowledge of him , does he write books ?

I know if him because Byline Times and they've done a huge piece of investigative piece into criminal allegations against him. He worked for Murdoch at The Sun and he now works at GB News and he was working at The Mail I think they've dropped him due to the allegations. I don't watch GB news but it's all over social media that he does nothing but slate H&M.

eazybee Fri 08-Sept-23 16:57:56

And as I am very ladylike, I don't know, or wish to know, what 'fill yer boots' means.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 08-Sept-23 16:57:57

Depends on which newspaper you read DL. The ones I read certainly don’t bury proper news under an avalanche of royal fluff/drivel or showbiz fluff/drivel. Nor indeed anything much about the royals except perhaps a nice photo, and nothing at all about showbiz people unless they’re involved in a high profile court case which might be briefly reported. Perhaps you need to read something a bit more highbrow.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 08-Sept-23 17:00:09

What is Byline Times? I don’t know what might be ‘all over social media’ because the only SM I’m on is GN.

DiamondLily Fri 08-Sept-23 17:00:19

Germanshepherdsmum

Depends on which newspaper you read DL. The ones I read certainly don’t bury proper news under an avalanche of royal fluff/drivel or showbiz fluff/drivel. Nor indeed anything much about the royals except perhaps a nice photo, and nothing at all about showbiz people unless they’re involved in a high profile court case which might be briefly reported. Perhaps you need to read something a bit more highbrow.

Yep, that might be the way, going forwards lol 😉

No class, me. 😗

Callistemon21 Fri 08-Sept-23 17:18:51

No class, me 😗
It's 'cos of your name, innit wink

I told you I went to your club once, it was full of sailors 😂

Grantanow Fri 08-Sept-23 17:19:49

Reminds me of those statues of saints said to bleed at certain times of year to the delight of the pious.

WellsRose Fri 08-Sept-23 17:33:36

Foxygloves

So many why’s?
Why is this thread been started about him ?

But this is easy to answer and I cannot understand how you can still be oblivious of OP’s intention. (But there’s none so blind….)
Read the words. OP invites comments on an article to which she has linked, regarding Harry’s contribution to The Heart of Invictus series.
Have you watched it?
I’ve only seen the first 2 parts and was massively impressed by the courage and resilience of those wounded and disabled - whether paraplegics, tetraplegics, quadriplegics or the mentally scarred and their families who have faced enormous trauma.
Harry did himself no favours by saying “nobody helped him” - although he has elsewhere stated how his brother was indeed supportive and there for him, and by whingeing that nobody did anything for the returning serviceman and women.
Blatantly untrue- has he, (have you) , forgotten the charity Help for Heroes? Or the massive publicity in the media at the time?
His plaintive whingeing did not sit well with true heroism and he did them a grave injustice.
Sadly Harry (like Meghan about other “inventions” such as the “ wedding in the garden” ) showed that he does not let the facts get in the way of a good story.

I've read the article and it comes across as.very.dismissive of PTSD and other mental health issues. The author seems to either really dislike Harry or looking for publicity (which I don't have a problem with as everyone has to advertise) and this article would be picked up by MSM and bring the author to the attention o GB News and the Daily Mail Dec and therefore employment

As you are with the article, can you maybe help me with.

Is there a time limit of mental health conditions?
Do you think that the people who were interested in this documentary would they necessarily have watched o so other documentaries and interviews where Harry has talked about his mental health and it might be beneficial for them?
When you said he made it all about him, how much time did he take up (not had time to watch it).?
Has reclaimed to be a hero,did he say that in the documentary?
I've heard of 'Help for Heroes'. Do you think as a charity they have enough resources to provide care for all the armed forces?
You say he changed his story about getting support. Do you think that when you are in the middle health crisis that you rationally remember everything that happened? My friend's sister in law suffered post natal psychosis, she thought her Newborn was trying to kill her.

DiamondLily Fri 08-Sept-23 17:34:20

Callistemon21

^No class, me^ 😗
It's 'cos of your name, innit wink

I told you I went to your club once, it was full of sailors 😂

Yep, you can take the girl out of the Eastend, but you can't take the Eastend out of the girl...😳

I only read the Sun and can barely use joined up handwriting 😷😬

God only knows how I had a good career...must have been bluff and bluster on my part lol 😉

WellsRose Fri 08-Sept-23 17:43:42

Germanshepherdsmum

What is Byline Times? I don’t know what might be ‘all over social media’ because the only SM I’m on is GN.

You made a snarky remark about me having limited interests the other day because I'm not in any other Gransnet threads. I do other stuff including read sources outside Gransnet.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byline_Times

Callistemon21 Fri 08-Sept-23 17:44:17

I've heard of 'Help for Heroes'

😁

Well, that's a start, perhaps you need to find out more about what help is available for ex-service personnel before you take what Harry says about lack of help as gospel.

I will say that The Invictus Games, founded on the concept of The Warrior Games, is a wonderful idea and proves that there is so much that can be achieved after injury and trauma to servicemen and women and to prove that their injuries do not define who they are.

There is a lesson there - not letting any traumas you endured define who you are.

Anniebach Fri 08-Sept-23 17:49:29

Post Natal Psychosis cannot be compared with grief

DiamondLily Fri 08-Sept-23 17:52:32

Anniebach

Post Natal Psychosis cannot be compared with grief

No they can't. Perhaps equally painful, but totally different.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 08-Sept-23 17:52:37

Thanks WR but I think I’ll stick to The Times.

WellsRose Fri 08-Sept-23 18:30:54

Callistemon21

^I've heard of 'Help for Heroes'^

😁

Well, that's a start, perhaps you need to find out more about what help is available for ex-service personnel before you take what Harry says about lack of help as gospel.

I will say that The Invictus Games, founded on the concept of The Warrior Games, is a wonderful idea and proves that there is so much that can be achieved after injury and trauma to servicemen and women and to prove that their injuries do not define who they are.

There is a lesson there - not letting any traumas you endured define who you are.

I dont take anyone's word for gospel
I could research what help is available but it doesn't answer my question about whether there enough. I see a lot of stuff about former service personnel sleeping rough, is that true.
Does talking about the traumas you've endured define you?

WellsRose Fri 08-Sept-23 18:39:07

Anniebach

Post Natal Psychosis cannot be compared with grief

The human mind is incredibly complex and two people can experience the same thing but come out of it differently.

The most extreme example was Queen Victoria, 40 years mourning.

WellsRose Fri 08-Sept-23 18:40:46

Germanshepherdsmum

Thanks WR but I think I’ll stick to The Times.

That's fine. I just thought I'd answer your question

Foxygloves Fri 08-Sept-23 18:53:03

I do other stuff including read sources outside Gransnet
Good I should hope so!
No disrespect to GNHQ but GN is a discussion forum - not a news information site grin

Anniebach Fri 08-Sept-23 18:57:01

Quote WellsRose Fri 08-Sep-23 18:39:07
Anniebach
Post Natal Psychosis cannot be compared with grief
The human mind is incredibly complex and two people can experience the same thing but come out of it differently.

The most extreme example was Queen Victoria, 40 years mourning.

You are so wrong, impossible to compare 40 years of grief with the torture of post natal psychosis , Queen Victoria’s period of mourning ? rubbish to compare

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 08-Sept-23 19:13:25

Absolutely, Annie. There is no comparison. Unless someone has been there they cannot understand.

Callistemon21 Fri 08-Sept-23 19:23:39

WellsRose

Callistemon21

I've heard of 'Help for Heroes'

😁

Well, that's a start, perhaps you need to find out more about what help is available for ex-service personnel before you take what Harry says about lack of help as gospel.

I will say that The Invictus Games, founded on the concept of The Warrior Games, is a wonderful idea and proves that there is so much that can be achieved after injury and trauma to servicemen and women and to prove that their injuries do not define who they are.

There is a lesson there - not letting any traumas you endured define who you are.

I dont take anyone's word for gospel
I could research what help is available but it doesn't answer my question about whether there enough. I see a lot of stuff about former service personnel sleeping rough, is that true.
Does talking about the traumas you've endured define you?

I could research what help is available

You could. You might be surprised.

Here's another one:
www.soldiersoffthestreet.org/

There are so many volunteers working so hard to help in so many ways - the unsung heroes.

Of course, so many of those people volunteering are veterans themselves, they wouldn't think of themselves as heroes.

Foxygloves Fri 08-Sept-23 19:46:45

Is there a time limit of mental health conditions ?
Do you think that the people who were interested in this documentary would they necessarily have watched o so other documentaries and interviews where Harry has talked about his mental health and it might be beneficial for them ?
When you said he made it all about him, how much time did he take up (not had time to watch it)
Has reclaimed to be a hero,did he say that in the documentary
(Who said that?)
I've heard of 'Help for Heroes'. Do you think as a charity they have enough resources to provide care for all the armed forces ? ?
You say he changed his story about getting support. Do you think that when you are in the middle health crisis that you rationally remember everything that happened ?
As I said, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

What is this Twenty Questions?

Maybe before your myriad hectoring posts, you might have tried reading the article the whole thread is about .

Glorianny Fri 08-Sept-23 20:22:52

I posted this before. But I am doing it again because some don't seem to realise that the account in the post is just one biased and restricted view. Others liked his commentary and his personal references. Of course most will only read the view they find matches theirs
www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a44964035/prince-harry-heart-of-invictus-hat/

Callistemon21 Fri 08-Sept-23 20:30:52

We know that Glorianny

It's a wonderful enterprise by Prince Harry, I applaud him for it.

However, was he trying to empathise? If so, would the veterans appreciate his approach having endured possibly worse traumas themselves ? That is the question.

Glorianny Fri 08-Sept-23 21:26:37

Callistemon21

We know that Glorianny

It's a wonderful enterprise by Prince Harry, I applaud him for it.

However, was he trying to empathise? If so, would the veterans appreciate his approach having endured possibly worse traumas themselves ? That is the question.

Well the writer thought he was. She describes it as "discussing" and "sharing". She doesn't condemn him. Nor I think do the veterans he is talking to and about.