Any Gnetters at the Rejoin march today in London

We can never go back to the very advantageous position we were in in 2016, before the fraudulent referendum.

The United Kingdom was one of the most influential members of the world's biggest trading group, with a unique deal - we had a rebate (one of the few good things achieved by Margaret Thatcher ), we were not in Schengen and not in the Euro.

Our position in the EU, as an English speaking nation, made us a uniquely important ally to the USA and the British Commonwealth.

Of course it is clear the Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster. Polls show at least 60% of voters can see that. No country has ever inflicted such damage on itself - making it poorer, less secure and drastically diminishing its influence in the world.

If we are fortunate our erstwhile partners may eventually allow us to be re-admitted, but not on the great terms we previously enjoyed. Remember that brexit has also cost the 27 EU countries a load of time money and needless hassle.

The thousands (not hundreds as reported by the right wing media) of Rejoiners who marched at the weekend did well to remind everyone of our loss, but most realise that the best we can do in the short term is to vote for parties which support ever closer ties with the EU.

With Sterling having lost so so much value, especially against the Dollar and the Swiss Franc- and with further loss still very possible- I'd have thought that joining the Euro could be a blessing. When my mum studied in London in 1932, it was 20 Francs to the Pound. When I came to live in London in 1970. it was exactly 10- made calculations very easy. It recently went down to parity, 1 for 1 and now up a tad to about 1.10. When we bought our current house in 2008, it was almost 2.50!!!

That was just unbelievable before Brexit.

I wouldnt expect joining the Euro be a sticking point several members have separate currencies, freedom of movement would be hard to swallow by the UK, but who knows what might happen in the next 20 yrs.

Why should freedom of movement be a sticking point?

I miss it dreadfully...

maddyone

MayBee70

I’m bitter and angry because of the racism and xenophobia that was used by the leave campaign and I will never stop being bitter and angry about it.

Please Maybee try to not be bitter and angry because the only person that hurts with the anger is you.
The ship has sailed and we need to get on with the rest of our lives. And be happy.

I am happy. I just have no intention of forgetting about the lies and misinformation that were used (by people that have since been shown to be liars, corrupt and/or disreputable eg Johnson, Bannon, Cummings) to enable leave to win the referendum. I was brought up not to lie and, at my age I’m not prepared to accept that sort of behaviour in people that influence others.

Joining the euro would be a huge mistake, Fp.

Look what happened to Greece and be very afraid...

We need to be in control of our own sovereign currency.

MaizieD

Joining the euro would be a huge mistake, Fp.

Look what happened to Greece and be very afraid...

We need to be in control of our own sovereign currency.

Even if it is in freefall?

Is the pound in free fall? Don't think so. Euro dropped a bit against the dollar early this year.

We will never join the euro. Its dead in the water. Zero appetite for it.

What on earth is the matter with you? Just look at the issues Germany has at present. The supposed power house of the eu. Its in a mess. As is parts of France, Italy, Greece.

Also usa and Canada have similar issues

Just stop with the false and fake nonsense.

It's verging on insane

Fleurpepper

MaizieD

Joining the euro would be a huge mistake, Fp.

Look what happened to Greece and be very afraid...

We need to be in control of our own sovereign currency.

Even if it is in freefall?

Oh dear, all uk bad, all , europe good. Just been there, price of food is much higher than uk, in Germany anyway. Years ago family advised if we get a vote on having the euro, tell them a big fat no. Thanks whoever said Nein.

Freya5

Fleurpepper

MaizieD

Joining the euro would be a huge mistake, Fp.

Look what happened to Greece and be very afraid...

We need to be in control of our own sovereign currency.

Even if it is in freefall?

Oh dear, all uk bad, all , europe good. Just been there, price of food is much higher than uk, in Germany anyway. Years ago family advised if we get a vote on having the euro, tell them a big fat no. Thanks whoever said Nein.

Where on earth did I say that?

Of course prices are higher- have you compared salaries and pensions with UK?

MayBee70

maddyone

MayBee70

I’m bitter and angry because of the racism and xenophobia that was used by the leave campaign and I will never stop being bitter and angry about it.

Please Maybee try to not be bitter and angry because the only person that hurts with the anger is you.
The ship has sailed and we need to get on with the rest of our lives. And be happy.

I am happy. I just have no intention of forgetting about the lies and misinformation that were used (by people that have since been shown to be liars, corrupt and/or disreputable eg Johnson, Bannon, Cummings) to enable leave to win the referendum. I was brought up not to lie and, at my age I’m not prepared to accept that sort of behaviour in people that influence others.

It gets tiresome doesn't it - because we point out the downright lies, deceit and deviousness from those three (and others) designed to bamboozle the public - we are are treated to faux concern about our mental health! It's becoming a 'thing' now... "oh, poor you" you must be so unhappy!"

One can be quietly angry and determined to join with like-minded people to address the wrongs - about any matter or event, not just Brexit - and still enjoy the sunshine, a walk in the park, a good dinner with family and friends... who knew!

I am angry about the deception of Brexit and about the affect it has had on my business and my family's plans for the future, but I still manage to laugh, feel good and enjoy life, and don't need counselling. Brexit is not at the forefront of my mind - but I am never going to be persuaded that it was anything but a huge mistake, economically.

The biggest farce of all is that Johnson knew and still knows full well that our problems here in the UK were, largely, home-grown, and not due to our membership of the EU. As he said so, himself, as he wrote in the Daily Telegraph... "if Britain left the EU, we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by Brussels." The full article is there for anyone to see if they cared to.

And, finally, none of my Remainer friends were in awe of the EU, or thought that everything in the institution was inspiring - we were and are well aware of the fault lines. We are not blind to the problems that free movement can cause, or how damaging it would be to our economy to join the Euro.

But Brexit was a confidence trick played on the public - as Mr Rees-Mogg knew when he, chidingly told people that its benefits might not be realised for 50 years - though where he plucked that number from I've no idea!

Indeed Dickens.

Verging on the insane is having your head so firmly stuck in the sand and be in total denial- that is indeed madness.

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

It gets tiresome doesn't it - because we point out the downright lies, deceit and deviousness from those three (and others) designed to bamboozle the public - we are are treated to faux concern about our mental health! It's becoming a 'thing' now... "oh, poor you" you must be so unhappy!"

Rather disingenuous, it was nothing to do with just pointing out the lies told to us.
Maybee herself said she was still bitter and angry and posters just remarked that such emotions are not good for you.

Now you have turned it around by trying to say posters have faux concern about her supposed mental health.

No such thing - posters just pointed out that holding on to such anger and bitterness long-term may be bad for a person.

Of course, some people may thrive on such negative feelings to give them energy.

Callistemon21

^It gets tiresome doesn't it - because we point out the downright lies, deceit and deviousness from those three (and others) designed to bamboozle the public - we are are treated to faux concern about our mental health! It's becoming a 'thing' now... "oh, poor you" you must be so unhappy!"^

Rather disingenuous, it was nothing to do with just pointing out the lies told to us.
Maybee herself said she was still bitter and angry and posters just remarked that such emotions are not good for you.

Now you have turned it around by trying to say posters have faux concern about her supposed mental health.

No such thing - posters just pointed out that holding on to such anger and bitterness long-term may be bad for a person.

Of course, some people may thrive on such negative feelings to give them energy.

I think that posters should keep their amateur diagnoses to themselves.
At the very least they sound unbearably patronising.

MaizieD

Callistemon21

It gets tiresome doesn't it - because we point out the downright lies, deceit and deviousness from those three (and others) designed to bamboozle the public - we are are treated to faux concern about our mental health! It's becoming a 'thing' now... "oh, poor you" you must be so unhappy!"

Rather disingenuous, it was nothing to do with just pointing out the lies told to us.
Maybee herself said she was still bitter and angry and posters just remarked that such emotions are not good for you.

Now you have turned it around by trying to say posters have faux concern about her supposed mental health.

No such thing - posters just pointed out that holding on to such anger and bitterness long-term may be bad for a person.

Of course, some people may thrive on such negative feelings to give them energy.

I think that posters should keep their amateur diagnoses to themselves.
At the very least they sound unbearably patronising.

I agree - especially those who say others are verging upon the insane.

That is quite shocking, to accuse those who know what went on behind the scenes (yes, we're watching State of Chaos too), voted remain but do not hang on to anger and bitterness for years because we feel it is destructive, to be verging on the insane.

Now, that is a truly vile comment.

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

No, it seems no-one on the thread went to the march to be able to provide an accurate number.

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12879582

I don't think it's easy to be entirely accurate.

Callistemon21

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

No, it seems no-one on the thread went to the march to be able to provide an accurate number.

I can ask the people I know who did go on the march for a guesstimate if you want to know.

MayBee70

Callistemon21

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

No, it seems no-one on the thread went to the march to be able to provide an accurate number.

I can ask the people I know who did go on the march for a guesstimate if you want to know.

Well, reports in the press varied from hundreds to about three thousand but someone thread mentioned, I think, tens of thousands by a Frenh reporter.

I would imagine about three thousand is most accurate? There is a way of estimating, I've forgotten what the method is called.

'Tens of thousands' would indicate at least 20,000 which clearly there wasn't. Why do some outlets feel the need to gild the lily so extensively?

oreo thousands of migrants were sent back pre 2016, and thousands more could have been sent back under the EU treaty but for the inertia of our government, now that figure is zero thanks to Brexit. The refugees and smugglers know that, which is why their numbers have increased considerably. Take back control of our borders seems to have disappeared from the soundbites.

“Why should freedom of movement be a sticking point? “

Seriously Maisie if you think Freedom of Movement is not going to be contentious you are on a different planet.

It’s not an issue for me, but loosing control of our borders is going to be a major issue in any rejoin campaign

Just to make my point clear when Bénédicte Paviot of France24 says "tens of thousands" attended the march, then his colleague Hervé Amoric at the same organisation reports in French "hundreds, or a couple of thousand", then clearly there is a big discrepancy..... unless something was lost in the translation given.

Have we got control of our borders now???