Any Gnetters at the Rejoin march today in London

Oh sorry. Should I have said 'they'?

Louella12

There were since graduates walking round and questioning the older protestors. They were asking them what they missed about the EU. Most of them looked black but one last did say that the other countries were doing better than we were

Chap pointed out that this was not the case at all and Germany is in recession. French farmers, who according to posters here, are protesting and Italy has an horrendous problem with immigrants.

It's not great anywhere. Older people seem to be clinging in to the EU but younger generations just aren't interested

It's over. Why get in such a tizz? It's a bit worrying to read some of these posts. Irrational isn't the word!

It's over. Why get in such a tizz? It's a bit worrying to read some of these posts. Irrational isn't the word!

Well in fact, it's not "over". The ramifications will be felt for some time. Not to mention that the government can't even decide which rules they want to keep and which to throw out.

Although it's certainly 'over' as far as my and my partner's business is concerned because Brexit made it just not worth the effort, financially.

And calling people "irrational" and accusing them of getting into a "tiz" is a well-known tactic - used in attempt to invalidate other's views that you don't agree with.

There is absolutely no logical reason why an event that has had an impact on our economy shouldn't be discussed. Our relationship with the EU is an ongoing matter, and there are still problems to be resolved.

If Mr Rees-Mogg, who seems to believe he knows a lot about the EU and Brexit, believes what he says, that the benefits may not materialise for another 50 odd years, then there is still quite a lot to talk about. After all, those who voted against in the 75 referendum didn't stop banging on about our 'mistake' did they? And look - they got it reversed! I'm sure they were told "it's over" too, but decided not to take any notice.

Aveline

Oh sorry. Should I have said 'they'?

No- 'she' has a Forum name, just like you. If I have something to say to you, I'll quote or say your name.

Dickens, of course, thanks.

Katie59

“It might be my senior memory failing me but I don't recall any of the Leave campaigners in the run up to the referendum telling us that we wouldn't see any benefits for 50 years...”

That was Rees Mogg sometime after the referendum

Pity you didn’t speak to me because I was saying it before the referendum. Though I was saying forty not fifty years. Interesting how my 40 has become 50 considering the other thread I have commented on this evening which was about maths education.

On a much more serious note I do believe the EU could have treated our decision with more respect. Though so many of our own politicians haven’t done so I suppose it was a vain hope from the beginning.

In what way did they not treat our decision with respect?

Most of my friends over here couldn’t believe it got through. Thought we were on a different planet !

A lot of those who voted leave are now dead , including my late MiL, who did not live to see the “benefits”, which she thought would be fewer African immigrants and a better NHS. Don’t ask me where she got her ideas from.

New research shows that the Tory government is to blame for the small boats crisis. There were no small boats crossing before 2017. The current crisis is a direct result of their choice to withdraw from our returns agreement that was in place as part of our membership also their failure to put a replacement deal in its place. This was a choice they made and there would be no crisis if they had retained the original arrangement.

Not sure where you got that info CoolCoco
When we had that agreement how many were sent back?
They started using small boats as a result of more security measures with lorries which made hopping on one or people smugglers using them really difficult.Also of course all the awful deaths of immigrants inside them.

GrannyRose15

Katie59

“It might be my senior memory failing me but I don't recall any of the Leave campaigners in the run up to the referendum telling us that we wouldn't see any benefits for 50 years...”

That was Rees Mogg sometime after the referendum

Pity you didn’t speak to me because I was saying it before the referendum. Though I was saying forty not fifty years. Interesting how my 40 has become 50 considering the other thread I have commented on this evening which was about maths education.

Oh, I didn't realise that you were one of the leading Leave campaigners splashed all over the media saying that it would take 40 years to see the benefits...

How very brave of you. Even Rees Mogg waited until after the referendum to be honest about it.

Did your argument persuade others to vote Leave?

I was an adamant remainer but that ship has gone I am afraid. The only way now is renegotiate the trade agreement as best we can. It has to be done in a sensible and diplomatic way unlike the clumsy, hasty, incompetent antics of that egotistical, lying clown who brazened his way into no 10.

I didn't go on the march but sent a donation equivalent to my fare on the special bus. All tickets were sold. Went on the last rally.

Lovetopaint037

I was an adamant remainer but that ship has gone I am afraid. The only way now is renegotiate the trade agreement as best we can. It has to be done in a sensible and diplomatic way unlike the clumsy, hasty, incompetent antics of that egotistical, lying clown who brazened his way into no 10.

Yes, the shock of the morning after has gone and continued bitterness and anger are negative emotions that help no-one.

I agree, that is the best way forward and I can see small diplomatic steps being taken. 🤞

I’m bitter and angry because of the racism and xenophobia that was used by the leave campaign and I will never stop being bitter and angry about it.

No, I wasn't there but I support rejoining the EU. Brexit is an unmitigated disaster and an increasing percentage of the population have realised that, now about 60%. The behaviour of Johnson and the Tories (with some honourable exceptions amongst the more intelligent MPs) has been opportunistic and disgraceful. It will take many years to undo the consequences.

THE BBC has been asked to explain why it has not reported on a large-scale anti-Brexit rally in the centre of London – but has covered a much smaller protest held in the same place at the same time.

Organisers of Saturday’s National Rejoin March (NRM) said it was “scandalous and bizarre” that the BBC had not covered their rally, which was attended by European politicians Guy Verhofstadt and Terry Reintke as well as campaigner Gina Miller.

France 24’s UK correspondent, Bénédicte Paviot, who was on the scene, reported: “Tens of thousands of people, who’ve come from all over the United Kingdom, converged here in London in the heart of Westminster.”

Speaking to the PA news agency, German MEP Reintke said the march showed the UK had “managed to build one of the biggest pro-European movements all across Europe”. On social media, she and the march organisers also claimed there had been tens of thousands present.

Other estimates, such as from Spanish newspaper El Mundo, put the number of attendees in the thousands. El Mundo further noted that the protest "received more coverage in the international media than in the local".

“It is scandalous and bizarre that the BBC are refusing to cover it,” Peter Benson, an NRM spokesperson told The National.

[Brexit] has added considerably to the cost of living crisis and inflation, and consequently higher interest rates. It’s a huge story for the British nation.”

He went on: “It's not just about a march, it's about the cost of living.

“Brexit has made the lives of everybody worse and we are frankly shocked and saddened that a British institutional broadcaster is refusing to cover this story.

“We want to further add that both Sky News and BBC News were in Whitehall and Parliament Square at the same time that our march and rally was going on. They were covering another march of a few hundred people and we didn't get any coverage.

So is that self-censorship by the BBC? We'd love an explanation.”

The other, much smaller protest, was against Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s plan to ban the sale and ownership of American Bully XL dogs, once the breed has been defined.

Video online showed verbal clashes between people at the two concurrent rallies, with one of the Bully XL supporters accusing the Remain campaigners of being "traitors".

Unlike the anti-Brexit demonstration, the dog owners’ rally was covered by the BBC, as were pro-independence marches in Falkirk and Bangor, in Wales.

Edwin Haywood, the author of Slaying Brexit Unicorns, wrote on Twitter/X: “Marches BBC news online covered today: - Scottish independence in Falkirk - Welsh independence in Bangor - Wales 20mph protest in Cardiff - Just Stop Oil in Bristol

“Marches BBC news online made no mention of today: - Anti-Brexit March to Rejoin in London

“Pathetic!”

And Richard Corbett, Labour’s former leader in the European Parliament, wrote: “So not even a brief mention on @BBCNews tonight of the massive #RejoinMarch in London with many 1000s demonstrating to reverse Brexit.
“The people the Tories placed in BBC management have done their job.”

A BBC spokesperson said: “Coverage can depend on a range of factors including how busy the news agenda is on the day and our aim is to reflect a wide range of events and voices.”

www.thenational.scot/news/23810173.anger-bbc-refuse-cover-anti-brexit-rally-london/

MayBee70

I’m bitter and angry because of the racism and xenophobia that was used by the leave campaign and I will never stop being bitter and angry about it.

Please Maybee try to not be bitter and angry because the only person that hurts with the anger is you.
The ship has sailed and we need to get on with the rest of our lives. And be happy.

I didn't think the BBC would cover it Varian because they are not impartial

France 24’s UK correspondent, Bénédicte Paviot, who was on the scene, reported: “Tens of thousands of people, who’ve come from all over the United Kingdom, converged here in London in the heart of Westminster.”

France24 reported that Hundreds waving EU flags gathered
In fact it was estimated that there were about 3,000 Rejoin protestors.

There were other protests taking place too so perhaps Bénédicte Paviot thought they were all Rejoin protestors.

Accuracy is important when reporting, as we have learnt.

Furieux ou animés d'espoir, des centaines voire quelques milliers d'europhiles ont manifesté, samedi 23 septembre 2023, à Londres en faveur du retour duRoyaume-Uniau sein de l'Union européenne (UE).
I think Bénédicte Paviot might need to visit Alain Afflelou 👓 (Specsavers equivalent). The above report by his colleagues in France suggests hundreds, maybe a few thousand.

There are always protests of one kind or another, is the BBC supposed to report on every one?

Yes, the Bully rally was important and worrying too.
There was a ULEZ protest at the same time.

The weekend news is usually very brief, but it was probably on BBC News 24.

I voted to remain but I think rejoining would be untenable. We'd have to adopt the Euro (no thanks) and have much worse conditions.

The best way forward would be a good and mutually beneficial arrangement with the EU.

DiamondLily

I voted to remain but I think rejoining would be untenable. We'd have to adopt the Euro (no thanks) and have much worse conditions.

The best way forward would be a good and mutually beneficial arrangement with the EU.

That’s exactly how I feel. I also voted remain, but the deed is done and we have to move forwards and not continually look backwards.

Being angry all the time is known to be bad for our health. It is what it is. Look forward and look to the future. We’re not young people, we haven’t got time to waste, we need to enjoy whatever time we have with our families, grandchildren, hobbies and friends.