Lawrence Fox

It is also very very obvious that he was lying.

JaneJudge

and it is so commonplace that he thought it was quite alright to say out loud on television. No wonder women have to protect themselves on nights out

I don't think it is so common place on tv and if it was a play on AE's own words, then maybe that is why he mistakenly felt he could say it on tv. If it was so commonplace on the tv, there wouldn't have been such an outcry.

Kandinsky

Yes, it was a very childish thing to say & I’m sure he regrets it.
But it isn’t as serious as other things that are happening in the news.
This thread has hundreds of posts,
so many people wanting to talk about LF not wanting to shag someone.

A few days ago a 15 year old girl was stabbed to death on her way to school by a 17 year old male.
Where’s the outcry?
Where’s the thread with 100’s of posts?

Whatever we discuss - there will always be something else that is more serious than what we are talking about at that moment.

There is no check-list that we have to consult to decide which topic or event has more weight than other - people post spontaneously.

Fox's outburst is being debated because it's very much a public matter - there are aspects to discuss.

There is little to discuss about the stabbing of yet another young person - it's not a 'debatable' matter, because everyone recognises the horror of it. Until we know the details - the boy is in custody - what can we say, unless you want pages and pages of speculation (which is usually discouraged on social media when someone is in custody and awaiting a charge).

I could write reams and reams about knife-crime among young people and why I think it's proliferating, and why very little appears to be being done to deal with it, but I can't speculate on this particular case, and neither can anyone else - which is possibly why there's no thread about it.

You are missing the point - the medias outcry helps set the agenda - and the agenda is wrong - yet social media follows like sheep and ignore what really matters

Main Stream Media are totally against GB News and Fox and anyone else who has a different outlook and Ofcom will try and shut them down as they are all of the same mindset

They all comment as one against some words by Fox whereas they could all shout about real crime, violent crime, really mental health issues and get something dome about it. But it is far easier to create a storm about misogyny or whatever else they want to highlight.

Pragmatist

You are missing the point - the medias outcry helps set the agenda - and the agenda is wrong - yet social media follows like sheep and ignore what really matters

'The Media' is a broad spectrum - it doesn't simply consist of the national dailies - thanks to the internet we can read differing views from the mainstream.

We comment on what interests us - there have been many 'outcries' that I couldn't give a fig about, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

The 'war' between the sexes is as old as the hills and will always be of interest to many, in either camp.

And, who are you to decide what really matters anyway?

More than one thing can matter at a time.

Fox is concerned about a 'woke' media-driven agenda too, as is Russell Brand and his supporters. It seems as though misogyny goes hand in glove with conspiracy theories.

Oh and I could predict the phrases you were going to use pragmatist, as soon as you used the phrase MSM, perhaps we are not the only 'sheep'

Some of you need to listen to the music many young people listen to if you want to hear the misogynistic messages getting through to them ( on a daily basis )
I doubt the average 14 year old has ever heard of Laurence Fox tbh.
His views mean nothing to young people because they don’t listen to him.
The real problem is happening very insidiously.

Pragmatist

They all comment as one against some words by Fox whereas they could all shout about real crime, violent crime, really mental health issues and get something dome about it. But it is far easier to create a storm about misogyny or whatever else they want to highlight.

A productive argument with someone who insists that everyone else but them is a sheep following a set agenda and that only they can see the 'truth' is an effort not worth pursuing.

You are as biased in your opinion as much as you are accusing everyone else of being.

And attempting to invalidate the views of those you don't agree with by suggesting they should be talking about something other than the topic because 'it's more important' is a well understood tactic used in attempt to shut down debate.

Which mainstream media is against GB News?

Kandinsky, why assume ‘some of us’ know nothing of the many negative influences on young people

Look at X and twitter as it was and perhaps you will understand my opinion. All of Avas old tweets are now not searchable - they are only evidenced by screenshots. We are all controlled by what media lets us see. Look at the attacks on GB News that readily searchable still - you will find most MSM is against GB News - search and ye will find - if the Tech companies allow us to see it

Interesting how if you debate with some they resort to attacking you and name calling - it has started here with some of the responses

What name have you been called? I don't see attacks, either - just an observation.

It was the same in the past when we just had newspapers. The media moguls controlled the dialogue then. This is readily researchable now. My point is that the big tech companies are repeating history.

Mainly passive aggressive responses clear too see

Who are you to decide

And who are you to take a patronising approach

I could predict the phrases you would use …

Many if you read it back

Funny - I got a response from repeating what was said to me ha ha

My opinion is as valid as anyones and if you dusagree with me that is fine too.

My opinions are fairly well summed up by this link - I will say no more on this thread

www.youthvoices.live/to-what-extent-does-media-control-society/

Kandinsky

Some of you need to listen to the music many young people listen to if you want to hear the misogynistic messages getting through to them ( on a daily basis )
I doubt the average 14 year old has ever heard of Laurence Fox tbh.
His views mean nothing to young people because they don’t listen to him.
The real problem is happening very insidiously.

Some of us have not only heard the music, but commented on it, on its insidious message of violence and misogyny.

However, Drill 'music' is a very specific subgenre of Hip-Hop and not one the majority of 14 year olds listen to.

The most dangerous aspect of listening to any music for teens is loss of hearing because of earphones and earbuds - they are quite literally deafening themselves through the high decibel count.

Quite a few 14 year olds know very little about the 'adult' world of politics. You'd be surprised at how many can't even name the current prime minister, so it's hardly surprising they don't know the names of the shock-jocks like Fox.