Lawrence Fox

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Annie - KR will have known it would be dangerous to accuse RB directly. He is rich and litigious, and how would she prove anything if the women who had confided in her were too scared to come forward?

‘Innocent until proven guilty’ applies in court, but not outside of it. Someone can make an accusation without proof (as did hundreds of women and girls against Savile) and it might not make a case, but it might when put with other accusations. I could report a stolen car and say a tall fat man and a short thin one drove it away. Not enough on its own, but if several people also reported car thefts involving people following that description the police and CPS could act.

At that point it can go to court and ‘innocent until proven guilty’ will apply. There is nothing to stop me telling the neighbours what I’d seen, or to stop others doing likewise, and if the two men are identified from that, so be it.

The BBC Politics Live programme hosted by Jo Coburn with panellists Damian Green MP, Baroness Frances O’Grady, comedian and writer Geoff Norcutt and political correspondent Ava Santini Evans took place on 25 September 2023.

Fourteen days earlier on 11 September 2023 this was published:

www.gov.uk/government/news/major-national-strategy-to-reduce-number-of-tragic-suicides

www.gov.uk/government/publications/suicide-prevention-strategy-for-england-2023-to-2028/suicide-prevention-in-england-5-year-cross-sector-strategy

Note it is signed by Maria Caulfield MP Minister for Mental Health.

It was reported in the press:

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/11/suicide-prevention-drive-launched-in-england-amid-concern-for-young-people

Note in this BBC video at 39 minutes Ava Santini Evans says, In my mind there should be a Minister for Mental Health.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001qwx4/politics-live-25092023

What was nobody aware of this?

All of this controversy could have been avoided and GB News would have gained more credence as a serious disruptor news channel by criticising the BBC for airing a politics show where neither the host not the guests were aware of what had been published by whom and when. They all need to wake up.

Thank for replying Doodledog you are accepting every accusation as truth , I cannot do that , not in defence of the accused, I truly do not know .

I didn’t say I accepted anything. I said that put together, seemingly unfounded accusations can form a case. Not the same thing at all.

Suddenly Lawrence Fox is connected to Russel Brand , much is so obvious

I’m not sure what is ‘obvious’ - you seem to be suggesting some sort of conspiracy? You didn’t mention the link when it was made, but brought in Operation Yewtree, and my comments were in relation to that.

Nobody is accusing Fox of sexual misconduct AFAIK, but the proof of his misogyny is clear, and was broadcast for the world (well, viewers of GB News anyway) to see. It is a fair cop, and his suspension/sacking is fair punishment. If it is the catalyst to his getting therapy (or better therapy) and a break from being in the public eye, then so much the better. The worry is that he might become even more bitter and unpleasant, as he will still have supporters of his views.

Why the post re Russel Brand on this thread ?

I don't know, but we both responded to it

Anniebach

Why the post re Russel Brand on this thread ?

Probably because they both share a common attitude to women.

I don't think Laurence Fox has been accused of rape, sexual assault and stalking though even though he thinks women half his age in bars want to shag him how deluded is he?

Pragmatist

Look at X and twitter as it was and perhaps you will understand my opinion. All of Avas old tweets are now not searchable - they are only evidenced by screenshots. We are all controlled by what media lets us see. Look at the attacks on GB News that readily searchable still - you will find most MSM is against GB News - search and ye will find - if the Tech companies allow us to see it

I understand your opinion, MSM controls most debates on subjects now and keeps the subject hot where it wants to.
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JaneJudge

I don't think Laurence Fox has been accused of rape, sexual assault and stalking though even though he thinks women half his age in bars want to shag him --how deluded is he?--

Exactly.

Anniebach

Why the post re Russel Brand on this thread ?

Your guess is as good as mine😄

Oreo

Pragmatist

Look at X and twitter as it was and perhaps you will understand my opinion. All of Avas old tweets are now not searchable - they are only evidenced by screenshots. We are all controlled by what media lets us see. Look at the attacks on GB News that readily searchable still - you will find most MSM is against GB News - search and ye will find - if the Tech companies allow us to see it

I understand your opinion, MSM controls most debates on subjects now and keeps the subject hot where it wants to.
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Anyone on Twitter can remove their Tweets. Perhaps, rather than 'Big Tech' or the media - Ava Evans removed them herself?

According to The Times and The Sunday Times, of the 8 national newspapers they referenced, 5 were seen as predominantly Right Wing, and 2, Left Wing... I can' t remember what they said about The Independent and the article is behind a paywall.

As GB News is a tad to the Right, I can't see how most of the media is against it. They might be critical of it's format, or the professionalism of its presentation, but I really don't think most of the Right Wing MSM is against a Right-Wing slanted TV News Programme in principle.

Hello - apologies for posting Brand on Fox, probably muddle on my part, but in my defence these two men share a love of being the centre of attention and disdain towards women.

One is accused of sexual assault one is not

Yes Annie, I’m clear on that.

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JaneJudge

I don't think Laurence Fox has been accused of rape, sexual assault and stalking though even though he thinks women half his age in bars want to shag him --how deluded is he?--

Exactly.

Does he think that, have you wormed your way into his mind.

His comments about AE certainly suggest that he thinks that way about women. I don't think you have to be too far inside his head to think that. 'By your words shall you be justified, and by your words shall you be condemned', and all that.

No it does not suggest that he thinks that way of women but one women , no different to criticism of him suggests all men are thought of that way.

Do you think of all men as being the same? I find that strange, really. I judge everyone as I find them - men or women. I can criticise LF without thinking of all men in that way.

Maybe it depends on the sorts of men you know, but I can't think of anyone who would speak about women in those terms, so I would definitely not suggest that criticism of Fox would apply to any man other than him.

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Oreo

JaneJudge

I don't think Laurence Fox has been accused of rape, sexual assault and stalking though even though he thinks women half his age in bars want to shag him --how deluded is he?--

Exactly.

Does he think that, have you wormed your way into his mind.

yes I have nothing better to do on a Tuesday afternoon
please pray for me

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JaneJudge you win comment of the day award for that! 😂🍾