Sunak. Men are men and women are women.

Rosie51, that's a bit of a desperate answer, isn't it? There's been a move away from mixed wards recently - as nobody likes them.

What would be the point in asking somebody their sex, though? They could lie, you know. Thanks for proving my point about the hypothetical thoughts and worries of some women though.

If they are in hospital I think their biological sex would be revealed on the ward.

Sorry, but if anybody casts their vote, just because of this issue they need their heads examined. There are two genders end of and who on earth needs Sunak to tell us this?

I agree HelenLouise3 that there are only two genders, but if you say this openly you will have the translobby after you which is truly frightening. No doubt Rishi is being bombarded by hate mail right now.

Thank you to karmalady and Skydancer.

We are, thankfully, in the majority although not necessarily on here!

Sanity will prevail, I’m sure of it!

This is a report of a conversation with Starmer on BB Radio 5. It seems to me that he knows exactly what a woman is.

“Firstly, a woman is an adult female, so let’s clear that one up,” he said on BBC Radio 5.

Sir Keir also said he feels “very strongly” about safe spaces for women, adding that the discussion of Labour policies has “allowed us to be clear that there should be safe places, safe spaces for women, particularly in relation to violence against women”.

“Biological women who have been subjected to violence against women and girls want a safe space where they can feel . . . that they are properly supported and protected.”

The discussion of gender is a sensitive topic for political parties, as it raises questions around the ‘trans debate’, which is a publicly divisive subject.

It comes after the Labour leader said earlier this year that 99.9% of women “of course haven’t got a penis”.

He added at the time that a “very small number” of people identify as a different gender to the one they were assigned at birth.

Mollygo

25Avalon

It’s better than Keir Starmer who doesn’t seem to know😂
Well said Rishi. It could be a vote catcher.

Or Ed Davey, who thinks women can have a penis. 😂

They can have them surgically built.

GrannyGravy13

vegansrock

Way too simplistic - surely what needs to be said is biological women need their safe spaces and sports etc defended but people can call themselves what they like or wear what clothes they like no problem.

I agree with people wearing whatever clothes they wish.

A man wearing a dress and heels does not give him the right to call himself a woman, therein lies the problem.

Most men who are wearing female clothes are just cross dressing on occasion because they like wearing women's clothes. What's wrong with that? I doubt that no one on here has never worn a pair of trousers.

When wearing trousers I didn’t call myself a man

Anniebach

When wearing trousers I didn’t call myself a man

Nor do men who occasionally cross dress call themselves women. They just like the feel of the clothes and make up.

So now I have learnt this fact. How mad this world is. A-man is a man and a woman is a woman. Just add that some are born to prefer one or the other. Also some feel as if they would prefer to be the opposite gender.So what!!! It’s how it is. No big deal, no political point to be made. Everyone mind your own business and get on with actual life. Just be kind and try to empathise.

Mollygo
Hetty58
There are (and have never been) 'women only' spaces.
So you say. Let’s instead call them spaces, where women felt free from incursion by males
The problem is that ladies toilets, changing rooms, swimming sessions etc. used to be respected. No self respecting man would have demanded entry, or pretended he was a woman in order to invade those spaces.

If one of G&T’s everlasting
but TW have been using them for ages
was using those spaces, they made absolutely certain they weren’t observable as being male, probably desperate that they weren’t recognised, rather than being there to make women uncomfortable or feel under threat.

Then those men who thought it was fun to upskirt, ogle, demonstrate that they were male and couldn’t be stopped and make women feel under threat decided a new role for TW, and TRA took up their cause with violence and shouts of transphobia and even worse, some feminists who might be expected to put women first decided that they’d support the men.
These liars, then moved on to cheating in sport, pretending to be female in women’s mental health wards where some patients were already traumatised by men, going into domestic abuse refuges and even telling rape victims that they should reframe their trauma
Evidently, you accept that TW cannot be trusted to be honest about their sex , but I don’t understand why you’re supporting their right to be in female spaces. You obviously do support that right by not condemning them for being there and making excuses about ‘no safe spaces’.

Lovetopaint037
Just be kind and try to empathise

But that’s just what the TW causing the problem don’t do!

At last Sunak has said something I can agree with wholeheartedly.

Dinahmo

This is a report of a conversation with Starmer on BB Radio 5. It seems to me that he knows exactly what a woman is.

“Firstly, a woman is an adult female, so let’s clear that one up,” he said on BBC Radio 5.

Sir Keir also said he feels “very strongly” about safe spaces for women, adding that the discussion of Labour policies has “allowed us to be clear that there should be safe places, safe spaces for women, particularly in relation to violence against women”.

“Biological women who have been subjected to violence against women and girls want a safe space where they can feel . . . that they are properly supported and protected.”

The discussion of gender is a sensitive topic for political parties, as it raises questions around the ‘trans debate’, which is a publicly divisive subject.

It comes after the Labour leader said earlier this year that 99.9% of women “of course haven’t got a penis”.

He added at the time that a “very small number” of people identify as a different gender to the one they were assigned at birth.

He has also written about the whole issue, and I was impressed with his intelligent approach, without all the silliness we see written by so many.

Of course he has been drowned out by all the hysteria, but it is worth reading.

Keir Starmer told Rosie Duffield she was wrong to say that only women have a cervix. I was tempted to email him to ask where he keeps his. As we are far more tolerant today than in the past, surely it is possible for a person to tell friends and family that they want to use a different name, and dress differently, and then just get on with it. Why do we have to endure the complete nonsense of suggesting that there are many different sexes? Have these people not heard of chromosomes? Two sets are available - male and female.

I went into a mixed sex hospital ward some years ago (long before this issue), and everyone was uncomfortable. That was why Blair promised to ban them - not sure if it ever happened though.

When is hospital, people are vulnerable and often have to do undignified stuff - bed pans, commodes, intimate examinations etc. Curtains aren't much protection!

Everyone I've ever spoken to prefers to be amongst their own biological sex when in hospital.

Let's keep bays on ward as single biological bays.

LovesBach

Keir Starmer told Rosie Duffield she was wrong to say that only women have a cervix. I was tempted to email him to ask where he keeps his. As we are far more tolerant today than in the past, surely it is possible for a person to tell friends and family that they want to use a different name, and dress differently, and then just get on with it. Why do we have to endure the complete nonsense of suggesting that there are many different sexes? Have these people not heard of chromosomes? Two sets are available - male and female.

That was in 2021, but as the issue has evolved Starmer has progressed his approach to the whole issue. (as have I) .

Your post of out of date.

It comes after the Labour leader said earlier this year that 99.9% of women “of course haven’t got a penis”.
He just can’t bring himself to tell the truth can he?

Whitewavemark Thank you - I am grateful.

Elegran

A swimming pool near me has a communal women's changing room - or it did on the one occasion I went there, some years ago. The lockers were arranged to form a series of smaller areas, so it was possible to find a corner that wasn't in direct view of the few other women who were changing, but if it had been busier that would not have been possible.

A swimming pool is a place where it is impossible NOT to be naked at one point in the changing process.

I believe most of these communal changing rooms have been altered because people do not like them. I wouldn't use a pool with such facilities because I don't want to be naked in front of anyone.

LovesBach

Keir Starmer told Rosie Duffield she was wrong to say that only women have a cervix. I was tempted to email him to ask where he keeps his. As we are far more tolerant today than in the past, surely it is possible for a person to tell friends and family that they want to use a different name, and dress differently, and then just get on with it. Why do we have to endure the complete nonsense of suggesting that there are many different sexes? Have these people not heard of chromosomes? Two sets are available - male and female.

Some transmen and non-binary people have cervixes. Are you saying they have to be called women? Because they don't want to be.

Thank you lovetopaint037! The voice of compassion. Live and let live. The world is so full of people who are struggling to get by for one reason or another. If it doesn’t harm
me - then let them be themselves. I go in a changing room for both sexes in Asda and I don’t feel threatened by the bloke trying on trousers next door, nor would I of it it was a trans woman. As an old friend once said to me ‘breathe in the hate, breathe out the love ‘

JenniferEccles

Of course Rishi was stating the obvious but it’s a sad state of affairs that it needed to be said at all.

Only a few years ago, MPs at the conference, and in fact everyone who heard what he said would have looked at one another in complete bewilderment wouldn’t they, astonished as to why an obvious biological fact was stated at a Party conference.

Now though, because of a tiny minority of vociferous disruptive individuals who insisted that we can be anything we say we are, it was deemed necessary for the PM to clearly state the facts.

The majority of the population of course know that fact but nevertheless would doubtless have been cheered to hear that our PM is not pussyfooting around this issue.

Good for him.

All told I think it was a good conference. There were some difficult decisions to have been made certainly but I feel the decision on HS2 was the right one. I also applauded Suella Braverman.

I do hope that most people don’t agree with your simplistic comments. Who can applaud Braverman ? Crazy Trumpistic talk. I thought Britain had more sense. Transphobic comments reign here and that is appalling. Had any GN er ever talked or watched commentary on what is left ke to be transgender?

G&T
Some transmen and non-binary people have cervixes. Are you saying they have to be called women? Because they don't want to be.
They don’t have to be called women.
I don’t walk around saying call me a woman or I am a woman, I just am.
If they are female, they are female and if they are male they are male, whatever they call themselves. And if they are malethen stop using TW or NB to lie about being a woman and stay out of female spaces, competitions etc.
The blame for this state of affairs lies with TW, TRA and their supporters.