Israel, Hamas and now Hezbollah

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Callistemon21 you have summed up how I feel, relations in the Middle East have never been black & white

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merlotgran

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Quokka Glorianny what thoroughly distasteful posts!

POTUS has managed to get the Egyptians to agree to open the Rafa border crossing to let aid in to the civilians.

I do think there’s some truth in their comments though.

In my opinion the current situation all over the Middle East is far too dangerous to warrant flippant remarks, based on political bias.

The events of the last 12 days has a high chance of spilling over into other states, Hezbollah has already waded in if POTUS visiting, his Secretary of State along with James Cleverly and Mr. Sunak has managed to calm things down slightly it can only be a good thing.

I agree with much of what you say GG. Better something than nothing. But don’t be deceived that this wasn’t to court the Zionist vote.

I’d have preferred to see a simple handshake.

He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon.

MayBee70

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Hamas have refused to negotiate until in their words every Jew in the planet is eradicated

This is situation is not comparable to the U.K. - IRA negotiations.

I agree that the US persuaded the Israeli’s to allow vital relief into Gaza, but they have put a proscription on certain relief. So if Biden’s visit achieves nothing else it has brought a tiny bit of relief to families. However, Biden has warned Hamas, not to divert the aid because it would endanger further supplies from happening.

With regard to Biden’s support of Israel, the president of USA has always supported Israel, and he reiterated that support on his visit, although, he warned Israel not to “be consumed by rage” referencing Afghanistan - However, I remember reading some time ago of Biden’s attitude to Palestine (which has been brought to the front of my memory today) in which he indicated that he identifies and sympathies with the Palestinian cause. He compares it to the Irish situation and in the past has, by his actions supported Palestinian (see Guardian today).

Quokka

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merlotgran

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Quokka Glorianny what thoroughly distasteful posts!

POTUS has managed to get the Egyptians to agree to open the Rafa border crossing to let aid in to the civilians.

I do think there’s some truth in their comments though.

In my opinion the current situation all over the Middle East is far too dangerous to warrant flippant remarks, based on political bias.

The events of the last 12 days has a high chance of spilling over into other states, Hezbollah has already waded in if POTUS visiting, his Secretary of State along with James Cleverly and Mr. Sunak has managed to calm things down slightly it can only be a good thing.

I agree with much of what you say GG. Better something than nothing. But don’t be deceived that this wasn’t to court the Zionist vote.

I’d have preferred to see a simple handshake.

He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon.

Quokka many cultures use the man hug instead of a handshake.

A quick embrace and back tap, is not exactly a cuddle.

I just want to see a solution to a very distressing problem and if it takes a few man hugs along the way I really do not care.

As for POTUS aspiring to a second term, it’s better than the alternative Donald Trump who is polling exceptionally high.

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MayBee70

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Hamas have refused to negotiate until in their words every Jew in the planet is eradicated

This is situation is not comparable to the U.K. - IRA negotiations.

The IRA refused to negotiate for years. If you imagine there are no similarities you don't know your history.

MayBee70

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Yes, and Biden would agree.

GG that was more than a man hug.

Trump, Putin, Netanyahu…

Someone asked what I meant when I referenced the “Talibanization of women” with regard to Natenyahu.

The Israeli government is a secular government. However, Netanyahu has, as has been widely reported intent on taking/reducing the courts authority in Israel, who he sees as preventing some of his more far right decisions. - we have a similar situation in the U.K. over Johnson’s prorogation of parliament.

Netanyahu had been “reforming”the courts, and part of his reforms have included the re-introduction of rabbinic courts into areas that are traditionally secular.

I have copied some information from The Guardian below

“Women Lawyers for Social Justice, referring to a subset of changes within the Israeli government’s judicial overhaul package that would massively expand the power of state-run religious courts.

At present, rabbinic courts preside only over divorce cases, with some additional will and estate arbitration and religious conversion-related cases. Under the proposal, which has been largely overlooked by the protest movement, rabbinic courts would be granted the power to officiate on civil issues for the first time in 15 years, giving them equal status to the secular justice system.

The rabbinic courts follow halacha, Jewish law, and do not allow women to be judges. According to Dr Susan Weiss of the Centre for Women’s Justice, which provides legal aid and advocacy for women in Israel, rules allowing female witnesses are inconsistently applied, and rabbinical judges have barred female witnesses from testifying, even in domestic abuse cases.”
Rabbinic courts have also been accused of making it extremely difficult for women to receive gets, or Jewish divorces, from their husbands.

“The rabbinic courts act like mediators to try and get the parties to reach some sort of agreement. And I’d imagine that’s what they’ll do when they deal with civil matters, too. But rules of evidence and burdens of proof are unclear,” Weiss said.

“Even if we put women judges in there, they’ll still apply patriarchal and biased laws.”

MayBee70

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Trouble is, that peace took 20 years.

fancythat

MayBee70

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Trouble is, that peace took 20 years.

Anyone got a better suggestion?

Really good interview on Sky News with a lady that was a brigadier in the IDF. I didn’t catch her name but she said Hamas funding from Iran has to be stopped.

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fancythat

MayBee70

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Trouble is, that peace took 20 years.

Anyone got a better suggestion?

20 years at the rate things are going, and there wouldnt be anyone left there to get peace with.

fancythat

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

MayBee70

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Trouble is, that peace took 20 years.

Anyone got a better suggestion?

20 years at the rate things are going, and there wouldnt be anyone left there to get peace with.

I get your point☹️

Glorianny

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MayBee70

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Hamas have refused to negotiate until in their words every Jew in the planet is eradicated

This is situation is not comparable to the U.K. - IRA negotiations.

The IRA refused to negotiate for years. If you imagine there are no similarities you don't know your history.

From what I’ve read it was only when the IRA started showing people in Colombia how to make weapons that the Americans told them they had to decommission their weapons. Up until then the peace process had stalled. I don’t really know much about how peace was achieved in Ireland: just know how scared I was that my children would get blown up if they went into town, and how relieved I was when it ended (and another reason why I was so furious that Brexit threatened that peace).

fancythat

MayBee70

I think, to find a solution to all this ( if it’s at all possible) we need to look at how peace was achieved in N Ireland. Let’s not forget that America helped fund the IRA. Military action alone doesn’t solve these things.

Trouble is, that peace took 20 years.

I think it took longer than 20 years.

As far as this conflict goes I think they are round about the UK/Irish situation in the1800s. Huge numbers of deaths, huge numbers immigrating. Suppression of Palestinian people, language and culture Large numbers of Israeli immigrants settling the land.
Israel may well. contain things for a while and seem to have the upper hand, but resistance groups will spring up again As happened in 1916.
I can't see an easy solution

Gerald Kaufman a Jewish Zionist MP made a speech in parliament in 2009 saying Israel are acting like Nazis in Gaza, still happening.

First and foremost Hamas have to go. As long as they rule Palestine this will never stop. It’s all very well copying and pasting pieces from The Guardian as if anything from that paper is gospel but Hamas avowed aim is all Jews in Israel gone and probably Jews everywhere else. I did read “we will kill them wherever in the world we find them’ but can’t remember exactly which radical Islamist group said that.

I know the situation in the GS is horrendous but how many more times does it have to be said that Hamas aren’t open to negotiation?

tickingbird

First and foremost Hamas have to go. As long as they rule Palestine this will never stop. It’s all very well copying and pasting pieces from The Guardian as if anything from that paper is gospel but Hamas avowed aim is all Jews in Israel gone and probably Jews everywhere else. I did read “we will kill them wherever in the world we find them’ but can’t remember exactly which radical Islamist group said that.

I know the situation in the GS is horrendous but how many more times does it have to be said that Hamas aren’t open to negotiation?

Which is why their support and funding has to be stopped.

tickingbird

First and foremost Hamas have to go. As long as they rule Palestine this will never stop. It’s all very well copying and pasting pieces from The Guardian as if anything from that paper is gospel but Hamas avowed aim is all Jews in Israel gone and probably Jews everywhere else. I did read “we will kill them wherever in the world we find them’ but can’t remember exactly which radical Islamist group said that.

I know the situation in the GS is horrendous but how many more times does it have to be said that Hamas aren’t open to negotiation?

Neither are Israel. They have consistently refused to comply with any UN rulings, have never acknowledged and refuse to allow (even to Arab children) the teaching of the Nakba in schools. They imagine (much as the British did in Ireland) that occupying territory, denying culture and history, killing and forcing immigration will give them a safe homeland. They may even succeed in having a few years of peace. But culture and history rise up and are discovered by future generations and conflict continues.

tickingbird

First and foremost Hamas have to go. As long as they rule Palestine this will never stop. It’s all very well copying and pasting pieces from The Guardian as if anything from that paper is gospel but Hamas avowed aim is all Jews in Israel gone and probably Jews everywhere else. I did read “we will kill them wherever in the world we find them’ but can’t remember exactly which radical Islamist group said that.

I know the situation in the GS is horrendous but how many more times does it have to be said that Hamas aren’t open to negotiation?

You don’t need to continue to reiterate it - we are all more than aware of Hamas avowed aims. We also have the PIJ with exactly the same aim to worry about sat in the West Bank. Then of course is Hezbollah - but I’m not sure how dangerous that is at present, but it certainly has potential.

The piece from the Guardian, was about Netanyahu and Israeli courts - it had zero to do with Hamas. 🤔

Israel aren’t sending death squads in to butcher and rape civilians. Before you start saying they do THEY DON’T.

The above to Glorianny

I think we all want peace, nobody wants to kill Palestinians, the problem is that Hamas wants to kill all Jews. The solution is for the Palestinians to remove Hamas and form a moderate administration, if they are not willing to do that Israel will do it for them.

It happened in Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood got power and Morsi was made president but the extremists took over and tried to impose strict Islamic rules and the army had to take over to restore order.