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Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

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maddyone Wed 08-Nov-23 09:58:48

Following the defacing of a Cenotaph in Rotherham yesterday, would it be advisable for the police to rule that marches in or around the area of the Cenotaph should not be allowed, this weekend only?
A poppy seller was attacked by people in a huge crowd this week, people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated. Should the sanctity of the Cenotaph and the Remembrance Service be at the mercy of the marchers to choose to do the right thing? Why was a Cenotaph thought to be a legitimate target in Rotherham?
Surely those who live in our liberal democracy should understand why this weekend is particularly special to so many people. Those of us who live in this country, a liberal democracy, should understand that compared to so many people in the world, we are very lucky to live in a country that affords us great freedoms, including the right to protest peacefully. Peaceful protest however, does not include the right to call for the deaths of other people, to attack poppy sellers or others, or to deface public buildings.
Why are the London police refusing to use the laws that are already available to ban any marching around this area for for this one weekend?

* [Typo in the title has now been edited by GNHQ]

Ilovecheese Fri 10-Nov-23 18:04:47

And we still have a right to peaceful protest which we should exercise without supporting one side over the other but showing the rest of the world that we are not cheering on any of the destruction that is going on but saying please stop.
Asking for armistice in fact.
If Suella Braverman cared about the armed forces she would try to help the numbers of ex servicemen sleeping rough, not wanting to take their tents away.

NotSpaghetti Fri 10-Nov-23 18:12:04

osamabinladen where is your 75% from please?

Jaberwok Fri 10-Nov-23 18:15:01

Annie. You're very welcome. smile

Callistemon21 Fri 10-Nov-23 18:40:20

If this is the kind of country where veterans are fearful to go out in their uniforms, wearing their medals, then something has gone very, very wrong somewhere.

They fought for peace, freedom and democracy.
Younger veterans were always prepared to defend the population of this country.

Fleurpepper Fri 10-Nov-23 19:12:01

If this is the kind of country where so many ex army and veterans have to make 'the life style' choice of sleeeping in the street, then something has gone very, very wrong somewhere.

Oreo Fri 10-Nov-23 19:26:58

There is help for any ex forces who have physical or mental health problems in Britain Fleurpepper you may not realise that.

Callistemon I fear that we have become that kind of country already.So many people now living in Britain don’t understand what a cenotaph is or about our services and parades of remembrance.They seem to think it’s about celebrating wars or about the British Empire.Maybe time to have a conversation by teachers in schools to students about this, or a public information ‘short’ on tv ahead of Nov 11th in future years.

Fleurpepper Fri 10-Nov-23 19:33:13

Very aware, thanks. Man still end up on the streets- I am sure you are aware of this.

www.facebook.com/groups/tacticalvoting/permalink/1298641247487067/?mibextid=bKks23

Sparklefizz Fri 10-Nov-23 19:33:19

Someone made a very profound comment on TV earlier on. He said that maybe the marchers should reflect that the reason they are free to march and protest is because thousands of people gave their lives in 2 world wars so that the rest of us could enjoy that freedom.

It made me cry.

(Sorry, can't remember who the speaker was.)

Fleurpepper Fri 10-Nov-23 20:40:26

Look at the link I've just provided- this is Churchill's grandson, saying just this (and he is very Tory).

GrannyGravy13 Fri 10-Nov-23 20:43:48

Fleurpepper

Look at the link I've just provided- this is Churchill's grandson, saying just this (and he is very Tory).

Look at Johnny Mercer MP, he works tirelessly for veterans.

The armed forces have so many options for ex servicemen, and work with them.

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 10-Nov-23 20:53:08

Sparklefizz

Someone made a very profound comment on TV earlier on. He said that maybe the marchers should reflect that the reason they are free to march and protest is because thousands of people gave their lives in 2 world wars so that the rest of us could enjoy that freedom.

It made me cry.

(Sorry, can't remember who the speaker was.)

I wonder why the speaker didn't think that they had already thought about that Sparklefizz, and that their belief in the very same freedom is why they are marching.

If people died to ensure our freedom surely we should support those using it for what they believe we bring freedom to others. Whether we agree with them or not we should still want the same freedoms for all, shouldn't we?

Anniebach Fri 10-Nov-23 21:03:00

Surely the war dead deserve one weekend a year when the country can join together in remembrance

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 10-Nov-23 21:22:51

And, if everyone stops turning up the heat under the current already febrile atmosphere, they can Anniebach.

Fleurpepper Fri 10-Nov-23 21:54:03

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

Look at the link I've just provided- this is Churchill's grandson, saying just this (and he is very Tory).

Look at Johnny Mercer MP, he works tirelessly for veterans.

The armed forces have so many options for ex servicemen, and work with them.

Oh yes, admirable work. But still, many end up on the streets, for all sorts of reasons. Mainly because they reject the army they joined too young, alcohol, drugs and mental issues.

Quokka Fri 10-Nov-23 22:00:32

Looking at the timing and the route online, they are setting off after the remembrance ceremony and are well away. Certain of the right wing media, primed by SB, are whipping the gullible into a frenzy about this.

Galaxy Fri 10-Nov-23 22:03:13

Yes those stupid people how lovely it is to feel superior to them.

Anniebach Fri 10-Nov-23 22:06:09

Quote Quokka

Looking at the timing and the route online, they are setting off after the remembrance ceremony and are well away. Certain of the right wing media, primed by SB, are whipping the gullible into a frenzy about this.

I am not gullible, certainly not in a frenzy, best you don’t judge ?

Fleurpepper Fri 10-Nov-23 22:10:30

Afghan veterans and their families who fled Taliban to UK at risk of homelessness as crisis looms

Quokka Fri 10-Nov-23 22:12:02

Did I say you were? Only if you have been shipped into a frenzy does this apply. Duh!

Quokka Fri 10-Nov-23 22:13:18

Anniebach

Quote Quokka

Looking at the timing and the route online, they are setting off after the remembrance ceremony and are well away. Certain of the right wing media, primed by SB, are whipping the gullible into a frenzy about this.

I am not gullible, certainly not in a frenzy, best you don’t judge ?

Not in a frenzy then it’s not you I’m referring to then!

Anniebach Fri 10-Nov-23 22:14:23

Such an intelligent reply - Duh Quokka

Galaxy Fri 10-Nov-23 22:15:03

You just mean people who hold a different opinion to you. Those hysterical people.

Quokka Fri 10-Nov-23 22:18:53

Anniebach & Galaxy do you consider it ‘intelligent’ to be led by the nose by the likes of Braverman?

Callistemon21 Fri 10-Nov-23 22:25:21

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

Look at the link I've just provided- this is Churchill's grandson, saying just this (and he is very Tory).

Look at Johnny Mercer MP, he works tirelessly for veterans.

The armed forces have so many options for ex servicemen, and work with them.

It's pointless to argue with an expert on the subject, GrannyGravy

Callistemon21 Fri 10-Nov-23 22:33:03

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

Look at the link I've just provided- this is Churchill's grandson, saying just this (and he is very Tory).

Look at Johnny Mercer MP, he works tirelessly for veterans.

The armed forces have so many options for ex servicemen, and work with them.

And the whole focus of the Poppy Appeal is to help ex-service personnel who may be in need, including the few who find themselves, for many reasons as with the wider population, homeless.