Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

I dont think it that intelligent to think that people who disagree with you are being led by the nose. It also not that perceptive to not notice that the views of the general public tend to differ quite considerably from some of the loud voices on twitter and in the media.

Someone enlighten me please.

Is there a Remembrance ceremony planned for SATURDAY at the Cenotaph?

At the eleventh hour on the eleventh day of the eleventh month – we will remember them. The Armistice, an agreement to end the fighting of the First World War as a prelude to peace negotiations, began at 11am on 11 November 1918.

Galaxy

I dont think it that intelligent to think that people who disagree with you are being led by the nose. It also not that perceptive to not notice that the views of the general public tend to differ quite considerably from some of the loud voices on twitter and in the media.

I don't know about intelligence, Galaxy, but I keep seeing the thread title about 'marches around or near the Cenotaph, then taking in the information that the route of the planned, police agreed, march goes no nearer to the Cenotaph than a mile away and I'm puzzled.

No you arent

MaizieD

Someone enlighten me please.

Is there a Remembrance ceremony planned for SATURDAY at the Cenotaph?

I believe there will be veterans at the Cenotaph, as at all war memorials around the country, for a service on Saturday 11th.

MaizieD

Someone enlighten me please.

Is there a Remembrance ceremony planned for SATURDAY at the Cenotaph?

The organiser of the sole Armistice Day event at the Cenotaph in central London has given his support for the pro-Palestine march in central London on Saturday.

Richard Hughes, from the Western Front Association, a charity that holds a commemoration on 11 November for the casualties of the first world war, said his organisation believed in “freedom of speech”.

Guardian

Anniebach

At the eleventh hour on the eleventh day of the eleventh month – we will remember them. The Armistice, an agreement to end the fighting of the First World War as a prelude to peace negotiations, began at 11am on 11 November 1918.

Oh, fir goodness sake, Ab. There can't possibly be anyone on this thread who oesn't know that.
If it was meant to be in answer to my query above your post, it's a failure.

Actually, I can't remember there ever being a big thing of Armistice Day being observed on the actual date, 11th November, until we started being very WW1 aware coming up to the 100th anniversary. Before 2014 it was Remembrance Sunday on the Sunday nearest to 11th Nov. Church services, 2 minutes silence, Cenotaph ceremonies. Nothing on the Actually 11th unless it happened to be a Sunday.

Thanks, Callistemon.

Galaxy

No you arent

I am.. I really am..

I don't see why everyone is getting their underwear in a twist about a march that's going nowhere near the Cenotaph.

MaizieD

Anniebach

At the eleventh hour on the eleventh day of the eleventh month – we will remember them. The Armistice, an agreement to end the fighting of the First World War as a prelude to peace negotiations, began at 11am on 11 November 1918.

Oh, fir goodness sake, Ab. There can't possibly be anyone on this thread who oesn't know that.
If it was meant to be in answer to my query above your post, it's a failure.

Actually, I can't remember there ever being a big thing of Armistice Day being observed on the actual date, 11th November, until we started being very WW1 aware coming up to the 100th anniversary. Before 2014 it was Remembrance Sunday on the Sunday nearest to 11th Nov. Church services, 2 minutes silence, Cenotaph ceremonies. Nothing on the Actually 11th unless it happened to be a Sunday.

It was always onpbserved on Remembrance Day, MaizieD and silences were observed in shops, people stopped in the streets to observe the two minute silence then, just after WW2, it changed to the nearest Sunday after the 11th November and most places observe both dates, with a smaller service on the actual Remembrance Day.

Of course, it occurs on the same day every few years (don't ask me how often with Leap Years!)

I think all marches should go ahead on any day at any time. That includes the counter marches.

My school had a Remembrance day service every year on the 11th. It was simply to remember the dead and had no military connection apart from the sounding of the Last Post from outside the hall. Most of my teachers had served in the war.

Those criticising the march should reflect on what would matter most to those who served and died in the wars, the service at the Cenotaph or the war where people are dying today.
The British Legion have supported the right of the pro-Palestine march to go ahead.

Interestingly, here in France where 11/11/11 is also marked, the 11th hour is a different time to that of the UK, as it would be in different time zones.

Yes, France always seems to do everything on the actual date and that's it done and dusted.

I was fortunate to be invited to the joint Kenyan/British Armed Forces Remember Service in Kenya several years ago in Kenya.

It was held on 11/11 and they observed the two minutes silence at 11am (their time)

Absolutely this

Those criticising the march should reflect on what would matter most to those who served and died in the wars, the service at the Cenotaph or the war where people are dying today.
The British Legion have supported the right of the pro-Palestine march to go ahead.

Er criticising the march would be part of that freedom.

Galaxy

Er criticising the march would be part of that freedom.

Er, yes - and your point?

The phrase criticising the March is the first phrase in the example you quoted. So I am not sure what we should reflect on. Those criticising the march and those criticising the proposed march by Robinson are both using the freedoms which were fought for.

I am surprised , many here think today is solely about the Cenotaph.

I do not see the need for a march. A gathering in an area away from the centre of an very busy and crowded metropolis and the facility to speak and to listen for those who wish to participate. That is freedom of speech.
Not a protest, not a demonstration.

I agree with Galaxy
If you support the pro Palestine march going ahead you have to also support the Robinson group and any other group which maybe pro Israel for example.Come one come all in other words.
I don’t know what service men and women who died in the two huge conflicts in the 20th century would want, they were fighting at the time to stop German expansion and the real worry that the UK would become German territory if they didn’t win, more than being concerned with the rights of marches and protests, but I guess freedom to protest at anything is the opposite of what Nazis would allow.It’s a bit concerning tho thisweekend, that there will be so much anti semitic feeling and chants on our streets. That’s my view anyhow, and now I have to go to work, where we will be having a two min silence as always at 11.am which is always moving.

Those arguing for the Robinson March are ignoring the rule of law.

There are parameters to our freedom of speech which include incitement to violence, which Robinson and cohorts are past masters at doing. If they “March” for whatever reason - then fine, but that is not their intention is it?

If you support one groups right to march and/or protest then you should support all groups even if their politics and views differ from that of your.