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Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

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maddyone Wed 08-Nov-23 09:58:48

Following the defacing of a Cenotaph in Rotherham yesterday, would it be advisable for the police to rule that marches in or around the area of the Cenotaph should not be allowed, this weekend only?
A poppy seller was attacked by people in a huge crowd this week, people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated. Should the sanctity of the Cenotaph and the Remembrance Service be at the mercy of the marchers to choose to do the right thing? Why was a Cenotaph thought to be a legitimate target in Rotherham?
Surely those who live in our liberal democracy should understand why this weekend is particularly special to so many people. Those of us who live in this country, a liberal democracy, should understand that compared to so many people in the world, we are very lucky to live in a country that affords us great freedoms, including the right to protest peacefully. Peaceful protest however, does not include the right to call for the deaths of other people, to attack poppy sellers or others, or to deface public buildings.
Why are the London police refusing to use the laws that are already available to ban any marching around this area for for this one weekend?

* [Typo in the title has now been edited by GNHQ]

growstuff Mon 13-Nov-23 07:27:03

Galaxy

I dont care if he was walking there in order to perform a one man show of Strictly Come Dancing to be honest. It makes me very uncomfortable the way people talk about it. I suppose its reminiscent of why was she walking there, dressed like that, etc.
There was a similar poll in the telegraph growstuff but of course that too is aimed at a particular section of the population, I am just wary of thinking that the loud voices are the majority, they often tend not to be.

I haven't a clue how many people approve of Braverman, but it does seem to me that a poll of Conservative voters might not be representative of the population as a whole.

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 07:45:10

Nigel Farage suggests that the majority of voters are behind SB.
A long time until the General Election so all water under the bridge by then…..

growstuff Mon 13-Nov-23 07:53:28

ronib

Nigel Farage suggests that the majority of voters are behind SB.
A long time until the General Election so all water under the bridge by then…..

Oh well! If Farage claims something, it must be true! hmm

growstuff Mon 13-Nov-23 07:59:22

It seems you just can't trust polls.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2023/11/10/61296/1

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 07:59:54

growstuff just shows that it’s not only Conservative voters who support SB btw.
Truth doesn’t figure in politics if it ever did.

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 08:00:47

Definitely don’t trust yougov

growstuff Mon 13-Nov-23 08:01:14

ronib

growstuff just shows that it’s not only Conservative voters who support SB btw.
Truth doesn’t figure in politics if it ever did.

Eh? How do you work that one out?

Casdon Mon 13-Nov-23 08:07:24

ronib

Definitely don’t trust yougov

How can you not trust YouGov ronib, anybody can take part in polls, and it’s not just a UK platform, it operates widely across the world ? At worst it is over representative of older people because we have more time to participate, but a lot of the polls have age breakdowns so even that is a questionable criticism?

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 08:14:22

growstuff there is support for SB , how much is anyone’s guess.
Can’t believe that anyone else is there waiting to replace her. Probably another media manufactured spat. Of course getting behind government ministers isn’t exactly in the British psyche. Definitely not part of Britishness!

Casdon Mon 13-Nov-23 08:27:41

If you go on the YouGov poll and click the politics bar, she is supported by 7% of Labour voters and 11% of Lib Dem’s - so no, she doesn’t have wide political support outside the Tory party,

Iam64 Mon 13-Nov-23 08:35:24

Thanks Casdon. She really isn’t fit to be Home Secretary. The policy decisions of the Met Police worked reasonably well despite her attempts to undermine the police and stir up right wing thugs
Of course I don’t defend the anti semitic banners or chants on the Palestine march but this huge march was largely peaceful. It’s striking that the march had all age groups and ethnicities. In contrast the extreme right wing bigots were mostly white men who had been drinking heavily

Vintagewhine Mon 13-Nov-23 08:36:47

She has been sacked!

lixy Mon 13-Nov-23 08:39:14

I had a hunch in the middle of the night that a reshuffle will include Ms Braverman becoming deputy PM - on the 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer' principle.
At least the deputy PM doesn't have a department to ruin!

westendgirl Mon 13-Nov-23 08:40:30

Thank goodness Braverman has been sacked.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 08:41:16

My betting is on yet another right wing horror

Badenoch!

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 08:44:34

A mistake and it won’t save Sunak.

varian Mon 13-Nov-23 08:44:52

Suella Braverman sacked

Joseann Mon 13-Nov-23 08:45:33

It will all kick off now.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 08:45:49

Oh possibly James Cleverly -

MayBee70 Mon 13-Nov-23 08:45:52

How many times has she been sacked, now?

MaizieD Mon 13-Nov-23 08:45:53

So, no evidence at all of a 'silent majority' supporting Braverman?

I'm relieved...

Vintagewhine Mon 13-Nov-23 08:48:40

Thank goodness for that. There have been some vile people in politics who appeal to some and have been in positions of importance. She was using her position to further her own ambitions rather than for the good of the population as a whole. I think if she wants to form a very Right Wing party, she should go ahead and do it. Some will follow her but it won't destroy the conservative party it will be short lived chaos but perhaps it would be better for this country to go through that and definitely better for the Tories in the long run. I'm not a conservative voter but we need our political parties to be functioning well regardless of whether they are in power or not.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 08:49:06

The right wingers will be organising😄. Good to see a government so United.

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 08:54:33

MaizieD

So, no evidence at all of a 'silent majority' supporting Braverman?

I'm relieved...

MaizieD the government is not the silent majority. If Kemi Badenoch is appointed Home Secretary there really is something fishy in Westminster. Wait and see.
Of course SB doesn’t mind being sacked as it happens regularly. I think she has leadership aspirations.

choughdancer Mon 13-Nov-23 08:58:42

Dinahmo

It's no wonder that Jewish people living in the UK should be worried many people, including several on here conflate antisemitism with anti Zionism. There is a big difference.

I think that this is a crucial point. Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism are NOT the same thing!

I belong to two organisations that show that many Jewish people actively oppose the current Israeli government, and support the rights of Palestinians. www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ This organisation is based in the US, and jfjfp.com/ based in the UK.

Both are sources of information about the situation, and this is a good example: jfjfp.com/a-brief-history-of-the-netanyahu-hamas-alliance/