Rishi sacks Suella as Home Secretary.

Not just our government is failing- Guardian today is highlighting the plight of asylum seekers waiting in France, an allegedly safe country, to get in a small boat to reach the UK.

Casdon

Did you read the article ronib, it gives strong clues as to why the system is in disarray?

Meanwhile for those Marsh family fans, here’s part four of the Suella trilogy.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Raqk9tHFbF0

Thank you for the link Casdon.

ronib

The best course for the government is to take immigration away from the Home Office and set up a completely new and separate department…..

And who is going to be employed in this department? Who will be in charge? Who will be responsible for the training?

Let me think! Maybe somebody with relevant experience who's worked in the Home Office.

Sorry! But I don't think changing the sign on the door from Home Office to Ministry for Boat People Responsibility will have much effect.

ronib

Iam64 Cameron might have reduced pen pushers but I think now the numbers are at an all time high.
Turbulent Times yesterday emphasised that the Home Office is not behind the government at all on immigration policy. I am not surprised in retrospect since migration is on an upwards trajectory.

Not in the National Crime Agency, they're not at an all time high.

Oh dear! Back to Turbulent Times eh?

ronib

Casdon system in disarray? That’s a very polite way of describing it. Completely shambolic more like. Add into the mix Rwanda and you have to wonder what on earth is going on?

As you seem to have experience of the way the Home Office works, maybe you could briefly summarise how it could be less chaotic.

growstuff- phone any govt office and be confronted with chaos - so little works well in this country you could go all conspiracy theory and wonder if there’s been a deliberate attempt to destroy public service and privatise everything

Growstuff getting civil servants to turn up to the office is a start.
The Home Office is not supporting the government in its aims. 2.7 cases solved per week by each caseworker is laughable.
No it’s not about changing the sign on the door but getting a grip on the problem. Doesn’t seem to be happening anytime soon? The Home Office needs to be relieved of this function. It can’t go on like this. A different set of people might bring a more proactive approach?

Outsourcing but not to Rwanda seems a good idea.

I have 2 daughters who are working with the Home Office at the present time.
One is the team leader on building the new computer program to speed up the application system.
The other one is doing a visa renewal application.
All I can say is: it’s a miracle that anything is achieved at the Home Office.

Your perspective takes no account of the information ronib. What the Home Office needs is a competent government and a consistent, supportive minister who doesn’t vaccilate, blame or berate civil servants for their own failings, and who sets the rules clearly and then monitors performance on a consistent basis against those targets. It’s really very simple. Do you know there have been 7 Home Secretaries since 2010, of which 6 have been since 2016?

MerylStreep yes I know exactly what you mean. The Home Office is not the only government department with inertia. I can’t imagine why this whole process has not been computerised before now?

Casdon doesn’t your argument apply to the number of Conservative prime ministers also?
So what - it has long been expected that the Civil Service is in place to support the government and not the other way round.

ronib

Casdon doesn’t your argument apply to the number of Conservative prime ministers also?
So what - it has long been expected that the Civil Service is in place to support the government and not the other way round.

Any department which has six heads of department in 7 years, with constantly changing ways of doing things, rules, styles etc. would be in disarray, particularly when they ware asked to do things which are against the law, whilst being blamed and berated constantly ronib. Your desperation to blame anybody except the government for the mess is touching, but completely misplaced.

Casdon haven’t other government departments also had similar problems? If something clearly isn’t delivering results, there’s no point sticking with more of the same.
Outsourcing? The Home Office, for whatever reason, has not provided a reasonable level of service.

Is there a government department that is performing well then ronib?
Outsourcing is not the answer. The answer is a vastly improved government, and as far as the Home Office is concerned, a strong and consistent leader.

Casdon a vastly improved government - good luck with that one.
I reiterate that the role of the Civil Service is to support the government of the day.

There are some wits about 😂

ronib

Casdon a vastly improved government - good luck with that one.
I reiterate that the role of the Civil Service is to support the government of the day.

It genuinely cannot be worse than the post 2019 Tory Government ronib, which is some consolation. I reiterate too - a government department is only as good as its political leadership allows it to be. If you haven’t recognised that the government has failed consistently on its management of the migration process I give up, and accept that once your head is buried in the sand that’s where it’s staying.

Casdon Germany also has a huge backlog of migration cases so we’re not the only country to struggle. Perhaps the political leadership is to blame?

ronib

Casdon Germany also has a huge backlog of migration cases so we’re not the only country to struggle. Perhaps the political leadership is to blame?

This is how long immigration processing takes in Germany
www.infomigrants.net/en/post/52723/germany-asylum-procedure-slightly-faster#:~:text=According%20to%20EU%20regulations%2C%20asylum,in%202021%20%E2%80%93%20around%20198%20days.

Casdon

Is there a government department that is performing well then ronib?
Outsourcing is not the answer. The answer is a vastly improved government, and as far as the Home Office is concerned, a strong and consistent leader.

Local authorities were left with no option but to outsource all kinds of tasks. It didn’t work

I have been reading reviews of what it’s like to work in the Home Office and I am surprised that anyone would even think of applying. It is not the fault of the government but I suggest the Civil Service HR department needs to act quickly to improve working conditions.

Glorianny

ronib

Casdon Germany also has a huge backlog of migration cases so we’re not the only country to struggle. Perhaps the political leadership is to blame?

This is how long immigration processing takes in Germany
www.infomigrants.net/en/post/52723/germany-asylum-procedure-slightly-faster#:~:text=According%20to%20EU%20regulations%2C%20asylum,in%202021%20%E2%80%93%20around%20198%20days.

Yes, they are streets ahead of us. I wish we were a Schengen country. So many missed opportunities to get it right.
www.frogmen.com/insights/european-union-digital-schengen-visa-application-process-approved-for-development-eu-lisa-to-start-creating-system.html

ronib

Growstuff getting civil servants to turn up to the office is a start.
The Home Office is not supporting the government in its aims. 2.7 cases solved per week by each caseworker is laughable.
No it’s not about changing the sign on the door but getting a grip on the problem. Doesn’t seem to be happening anytime soon? The Home Office needs to be relieved of this function. It can’t go on like this. A different set of people might bring a more proactive approach?

Outsourcing but not to Rwanda seems a good idea.

The civil service HR department has very recently been rebadged "Government People Group". Would you like the contact details of some of the senior people?

Meanwhile, if the high staff turnover, relative inexperience of those involved, constantly changing ministerial directive goalposts and reduced recruitment aren't the fault of the "government", I'd be interested to know who's responsible.

Meanwhile, try reading the section entitled "The decline in caseworker decision-making has no definitive explanation, but plausible reasons include administrative issues and policy changes".

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-uks-asylum-backlog/

Iam64

Casdon

Is there a government department that is performing well then ronib?
Outsourcing is not the answer. The answer is a vastly improved government, and as far as the Home Office is concerned, a strong and consistent leader.

Local authorities were left with no option but to outsource all kinds of tasks. It didn’t work

Processing of asylum applications has not been outsourced.

Growstuff Human Resources?