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Charles III gets North Westerners money!

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Glorianny Fri 24-Nov-23 12:57:38

It seems that if you die without making a will in the NW and relatives can't be found the money goes to the Duchy of Lancaster. Charles made £26 million. Surely this isn't right. The Duchy of Cornwall can also claim. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/how-royal-estates-use-bona-vacantia-to-collect-money-from-dead-people-king-charles#:~:text=The%20duchies%20of%20Lancaster%20and%20Cornwall%20retained%20the%20custom%20of,on%20the%20administration%20of%20wills.

Caleo Fri 24-Nov-23 17:03:48

Callistemon: " Hurry up, Glorianny, off to the solicitor, you'd never rest if you thought Charles got 1d of your hard-earned wealth."

Me, I'd pay the monarch and their immediate family £1 a year in lieu of the public shows with horses and costumes they put on for our entertainment .

MaizieD Fri 24-Nov-23 17:28:30

Caleo

Evidence of feudalism was new to me until today therefore I am no longer a monarchist and have allowed myself to be misled for years.
I now believe that the royal family is the top of a class system of which poor and deprived people must now be cleared off the streets with their unsightly tents , and free speech is being eroded.

I think you extrapolate too much from this remnant of an ancient system under which the monarch was held to own the land by right of conquest.

As GSM says, feudal obligations are a thing of the past, abolished in first half of the 20th century. They have little bearing on our lives; the exception being leasehold, but even then, the holder of the lease is neither the monarch nor the Lord of the Manor (perhaps GSM can explain how this originally feudal practice has been continued, though).

I see the class system as being actively perpetuated by some of the populace, with their strange belief in the superiority of the wealthy and privileged and contempt for those who might achieve positions of influence despite not being from the wealthy/privileged strata of society.

We are supposedly governed by consent expressed by universal adult suffrage and free and fair elections. Which makes voters complicit in choosing governments which are stuffed with the wealthy and privileged and which want to clear the poor and deprived off the street. This can't be blamed on the monarchy; this is our choice...

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 24-Nov-23 17:32:37

Grany

Germanshepherdsmum

Here are the latest Duchy of Lancaster report and audited accounts Glorianny and Grany. It you can scroll down to the accounts and footnote 9 you will see details of bona vacantia receipts and payments therefrom to charitable causes.
www.duchyoflancaster.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022-DoL-ARR.pdf

In an investigation it was found Charles spent money on doing up his houses for rental.

Read the report
www.republic.org.uk/the_true_cost_of_the_royals

But that report comes from Republic.org. They want a Republic. How can anyone in their right mind believe they can be in any way objective?!

More of your Echo Chamber Grany.

readsalot Fri 24-Nov-23 17:34:13

People who don’t want King Charles to have their money when they die should make a will and leave it to a person/people or a charity. No excuse for laziness!

Freya5 Fri 24-Nov-23 17:39:04

paddyann54

ah BUT apparently the King donates it all to charity....lol BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LIKE !!
They are and always have been parasites ,shame so many are blinkered to anything that has a title in front of its name ,if he was plain Charlie Jones there would be an outrage about not just this but the huge inheritance ...untaxed.the massive rises from the public purse etc etc.This "uk" is a very strange place ,Royalty belongs in the middle ages and thats where it should have been left

🤢

Glorianny Fri 24-Nov-23 18:41:42

Germanshepherdsmum

Here are the latest Duchy of Lancaster report and audited accounts Glorianny and Grany. It you can scroll down to the accounts and footnote 9 you will see details of bona vacantia receipts and payments therefrom to charitable causes.
www.duchyoflancaster.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022-DoL-ARR.pdf

The accounts do not show what the charitable payments involve. They are described as Duchy of Lancaster charitable purposes.
Is it a charitable purpose to repair older property so it can be used as a holiday let?

nadateturbe Fri 24-Nov-23 18:51:25

No,its not. No one could say otherwise.

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 24-Nov-23 18:54:27

Glorianny

Germanshepherdsmum

Here are the latest Duchy of Lancaster report and audited accounts Glorianny and Grany. It you can scroll down to the accounts and footnote 9 you will see details of bona vacantia receipts and payments therefrom to charitable causes.
www.duchyoflancaster.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022-DoL-ARR.pdf

The accounts do not show what the charitable payments involve. They are described as Duchy of Lancaster charitable purposes.
Is it a charitable purpose to repair older property so it can be used as a holiday let?

But if you can't access that information just how can you know that is what has happened.

I sounds like a vicious piece if unproven gossip.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 24-Nov-23 19:32:36

Do you think the auditors are lying fools?

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 19:56:24

Grany

Germanshepherdsmum

Here are the latest Duchy of Lancaster report and audited accounts Glorianny and Grany. It you can scroll down to the accounts and footnote 9 you will see details of bona vacantia receipts and payments therefrom to charitable causes.
www.duchyoflancaster.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022-DoL-ARR.pdf

In an investigation it was found Charles spent money on doing up his houses for rental.

Read the report
www.republic.org.uk/the_true_cost_of_the_royals

Oh, excellent news, thank you Grany

That would be from the income from the Duchy, I believe.
So many landlords would just take the profits and leave their tenants in uninhabitable properties.

Well done, Charles 🙂

Glorianny Fri 24-Nov-23 20:03:44

Just think how many families are living in properties unsuitable for many reasons, or how many council houses this money could have built. But hey they are poor people. Much better a rich privileged irrelevant man should have it and use it to update his already vast property empire, so he can charge more rent and line his pockets even more.

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 20:06:18

Silly post. Really quite bizarre.

So, wealthy landlord spends profits renovating rental properties for his tenants and that is a reason to criticise him?

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 20:09:50

Just think how many families are living in properties unsuitable for many reasons

Yes, that is so unfair because presumably their landlords take the profits and don't spend the money keeping the properties in a good state of repair.

The convoluted thinking by republicans who dislike the monarchy and everything to do with it is really strange. So intent are they on finding fault with the monarchy they contradict themselves 😁

hollysteers Fri 24-Nov-23 20:22:38

The Duchy estates of Lancaster and Cornwall are vast. There are very tight restrictions for tenants, many complaints and I believe these lands should have no relation to the crown whatsoever, who already own enough land let’s face it.

This country desperately needs social housing and the populace could do without this dated practice.
I’m not entirely against a monarchy btw and as mentioned above, what happens in other countries when no will is made?

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 20:38:17

I'll be accused of being sycophantic soon 😁

No, I'm not, I'm just a pragmatic royalist who thinks the alternative is far worse.

Please don't bring up Ireland as an example again 😂😂😂

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 24-Nov-23 20:58:10

Was that a reply to my post Germanshepherdsmum? If so, the answer is no. If not, ignore this postsmile

Glorianny Fri 24-Nov-23 21:54:09

Callistemon21

^Just think how many families are living in properties unsuitable for many reasons^

Yes, that is so unfair because presumably their landlords take the profits and don't spend the money keeping the properties in a good state of repair.

The convoluted thinking by republicans who dislike the monarchy and everything to do with it is really strange. So intent are they on finding fault with the monarchy they contradict themselves 😁

What happens Callistemon21is if the landlord decides to improve the property he gives the tenant notice, so that he can charge more rent after the work. You don't know if Charles is also doing this. The families finish up in inadequate or B&B accommodation. This money could be so much better spent.

nadateturbe Fri 24-Nov-23 22:30:28

So why can't the monarchy just have one home, give everything else back to the country and live off the pretty good income we give them.

Mollygo Fri 24-Nov-23 22:30:56

This money could be so much better spent?
Once you start removing property from people who own it, but don’t spend the profits the way you like, the question is where will that stop?
No second home owners? (Do they give their profits to charity) No landlords buying buy to let properties and not giving their profits to charity?

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 22:40:35

You don't know if Charles is also doing this
Neither do you.

But I very much doubt it.

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 22:45:06

nadateturbe

So why can't the monarchy just have one home, give everything else back to the country and live off the pretty good income we give them.

🤔

The income we give them goes to pay for the offices and work of the Head of State.

There are three official residences, any other homes are privately owned.

Perhaps all our private homes should be handed over to the government?

Mollygo Fri 24-Nov-23 22:49:56

Callistemon21
Perhaps all our private homes should be handed over to the government?
It could be a slippery slope down to that expectation.

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 22:53:36

Mollygo

Callistemon21
Perhaps all our private homes should be handed over to the government?
It could be a slippery slope down to that expectation.

I have seen the possibility mooted on here 😲

nadateturbe Fri 24-Nov-23 23:13:52

I guess it goes back hundreds of years to how the monarchy acquired their land and fortune. And we have been here before.
Why can't we just provide a home and good income for anyone in the RF who works for us.
They're just people like us.
Time for bed 🥱

Glorianny Sat 25-Nov-23 11:34:59

Callistemon21

Mollygo

Callistemon21
Perhaps all our private homes should be handed over to the government?
It could be a slippery slope down to that expectation.

I have seen the possibility mooted on here 😲

Not on this thread.
The idea that anyone is proposing any home should be taken from anyone is irrelevant. No one his said this.
Taking the money from a man who can easily afford to look after his own property is what is proposed. That money could do so much more good elsewhere. Building social housing, building hospitals and schools, repairing pot holes there are so many things which need fixing.
Why on earth should Charles get it to do up properties, so he can rent them out to executives and their families?