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So pleased to see hostages being released.

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foxie48 Fri 24-Nov-23 18:46:20

GN hasn't had much to say in the last few days, perhaps like me you have been holding your breath and hoping to see hostages being released and aid flowing into Gaza. I am not religious so I can't pray but I am hoping that this release of hostages continues and this breathing space gives an opportunity for a long term peace plan to evolve.

Galaxy Fri 01-Dec-23 12:02:03

I havent seen threats I can list the range of antisemitic posts that have been on here and deleted. I imagine they would make people uneasy.

silverlining48 Fri 01-Dec-23 12:03:43

I have seen no cheerleading on GN for Hamas Oreo

Franbern Fri 01-Dec-23 12:03:53

Does not need anyone on GN to demonise Israel under its current administration - it is more than capable of doing that all by itself!!!!
Happy that many of the hostages have been released, and it appears, totally unharmed. Not the same can be said for the Israeli releases of their untried, unconvicted prisooners.

maddyone Fri 01-Dec-23 12:22:42

The released hostages will not be unharmed. They will have undoubtedly suffered psychological damage and this will take years to heal, if indeed it ever does. The four year old who saw both her parents murdered in front of her and was then held captive by Hamas, with their uniforms and face coverings which would be so very frightening to a traumatised child. Are we to believe she was unharmed? As a mother, grandmother and ex teacher of young children I know that she will be extremely damaged.

Did you see the faces of the two women released last night? They were terrified, it could be seen on their faces. By the look of sheer terror on their faces, I think it unlikely that they had any idea of what was to happen.

As for the innocent prisoners in Israeli jails. Many are convicted of terror offences, including one woman released last week who tried to drive explosives through an Israeli checkpoint and detonated it. No one was killed luckily, but she sustained severe burns on her hands and face. Others were waiting for their trials and now released without trial. Others were youths guilty of throwing bricks and stones at Israeli soldiers. As we discussed earlier, stones from a sling can cause serious injury or kill.

I’m still at a loss as to why one Jewish hostage is worth three Palestinian prisoners.

growstuff Fri 01-Dec-23 12:27:19

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Oreo the more I read on GN the more I understand why my Jewish friends in the U.K. are concerned for their families safety.

Sorry, but I haven't seen any antisemitic threats on GN.

I didn’t say there had been.

It’s more the demonisation of Israel

Even some Israelis are critical of their own government.

Why should posts on GN make your friends concerned for their families' safety?

growstuff Fri 01-Dec-23 12:28:27

Galaxy

I havent seen threats I can list the range of antisemitic posts that have been on here and deleted. I imagine they would make people uneasy.

Over the years I've seen plenty of racist posts on GN, many of which are still there.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 01-Dec-23 12:34:43

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Oreo the more I read on GN the more I understand why my Jewish friends in the U.K. are concerned for their families safety.

Sorry, but I haven't seen any antisemitic threats on GN.

I didn’t say there had been.

It’s more the demonisation of Israel

Even some Israelis are critical of their own government.

Why should posts on GN make your friends concerned for their families' safety?

It’s the antisemitism which is raising its vile and ugly head across the world.

Another Jewish Food establishment was graffitied over night in S W London.

Antisemitism is becoming normalised once more.

growstuff Fri 01-Dec-23 12:38:41

I'm not denying that, but you claimed specifically that comments on GN were making your friends feel uncomfortable.

Jaberwok Fri 01-Dec-23 12:46:10

Totally agree with maddyone.

growstuff Fri 01-Dec-23 12:54:51

I wonder how many children in Gaza will have been traumatised for life.

Shelmiss Fri 01-Dec-23 13:02:58

growstuff

I'm not denying that, but you claimed specifically that comments on GN were making your friends feel uncomfortable.

Specific comments on GN are making me feel uncomfortable and I’m Jewish.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 01-Dec-23 13:10:00

I agree, and I am not Jewish (my step-father’s family was and is)

growstuff Fri 01-Dec-23 13:12:27

Shelmiss

growstuff

I'm not denying that, but you claimed specifically that comments on GN were making your friends feel uncomfortable.

Specific comments on GN are making me feel uncomfortable and I’m Jewish.

I'm sorry you feel like that. Maybe if you see something you could point it out and explain why it makes you feel uncomfortable. I've seen comments critical of Israel, but nothing critical of Jews. Maybe I'm being blinkered, so it would be good to know what makes you feel like that.

growstuff Fri 01-Dec-23 13:12:49

GrannyGravy13

I agree, and I am not Jewish (my step-father’s family was and is)

Do you have any examples?

Freshair Fri 01-Dec-23 13:19:15

Really upsetting what you said Paddyann. 😡

maddyone Fri 01-Dec-23 13:23:05

growstuff

I wonder how many children in Gaza will have been traumatised for life.

Oh you’ll have no argument from me about that growstuff, but it’s an unusual response to the mention of that poor little girl. A bit dismissive really.

JenniferEccles Fri 01-Dec-23 13:28:10

I remember reading a while back about how a body cam was recovered from a Hamas terrorist involved in the October massacre of those poor Israeli people, which of course was the start of all this.

The terrorist could be heard calling his family on his phone and relaying to them in horrifically graphic detail just what he had done to those poor souls.
Sickeningly his family could he heard on the recording, cheering and whooping in delight at every account.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 01-Dec-23 13:28:37

Just read this and the other Israel/Palestine threads.

If Israel is so awful why has it released upwards of 3 Palestinian prisoners for each Israeli hostage.

There is a constant stream of condemnation of the IDF and the Israeli Government. What were they supposed to do after 7/10, tell Hamas to sit on the naughty step and wait for their next murderous attack, wait for them to take more Israeli hostages?

I can see the damage done to Gaza, Hamas knew it would happen, no thought for the civilians who elected them. No shelters or provisions for its people, but hey ho Hamas have tunnels, weaponry and provisions.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 01-Dec-23 13:30:27

Exactly JenniferEccles no one here knows how many of the residents of Gaza or the North Bank are Hamas supporters/sympathisers.

The reports from the journalists who have seen 7/10 footage are harrowing, they have all said they will never get the images or sounds out of their heads.

growstuff Fri 01-Dec-23 13:35:49

maddyone

growstuff

I wonder how many children in Gaza will have been traumatised for life.

Oh you’ll have no argument from me about that growstuff, but it’s an unusual response to the mention of that poor little girl. A bit dismissive really.

I'm not dismissing it at all, but I've only noticed your posts about Israeli children. The whole situation is horrific.

It concerns me because there are hundred of thousands of Palestinian children, who have never had the opportunity to vote for a government, but will no doubt have been scarred for life.

I can't even start to think what would be going through my mind at the moment if I were Palestinian and stuck in Gaza. It seems as though they're being driven towards Rafah, but Egypt doesn't want them. They're trapped and I can't see they have any hope for the future. If I were a teenager I wonder how I would react. There doesn't seem to be anywhere safe to hide, so I wonder if I would be tempted to fight for my people and throw a few rocks at Israeli soldiers.

growstuff Fri 01-Dec-23 13:36:52

GrannyGravy13

Exactly JenniferEccles no one here knows how many of the residents of Gaza or the North Bank are Hamas supporters/sympathisers.

The reports from the journalists who have seen 7/10 footage are harrowing, they have all said they will never get the images or sounds out of their heads.

Whom do you suggest they support? The only credible alternative is Fatah, who have proved ineffectual in defending the West Bank.

silverlining48 Fri 01-Dec-23 13:37:04

The children who didn’t die, will be traumatised emotionally and physically, especially if they lost limbs and parents and family in the bombings. No therapy will be available for them because nothing is left.
The 6000 children who have already been killed are past that now.
Israeli children have also been traumatised I am sorry for that of course I am but they have come home safely and will receive everything they need to process their experiences. Unlike their peers across the border,
I am listening to the radio, a British man living in south Gaza with his family telling us that the message they have received on bits of paper dropped byIsraeli authority is just a few words. Leave or die. No detail of where they shoukd go. Well there is nowhere, we all know that as do Israel.
What on earth are they supposed to do. This was where they were directed to go to for their safety from north Gaza.
Wonder how the gazan children stuck there feel about that. There is no where to go. The sea? Perhaps.
What do their parents think, now, it’s happening now as we eat our lunch, how can they reassure their children when they know there is no hope.
Does anyone who supports Israel come thick or thin, feel in any small way that Israel may behaved badly, could have done things differently perhaps. Is there anything about Israel’s behaviour that makes you feel even a bit uncomfortable?

growstuff Fri 01-Dec-23 13:37:48

GrannyGravy13

Just read this and the other Israel/Palestine threads.

If Israel is so awful why has it released upwards of 3 Palestinian prisoners for each Israeli hostage.

There is a constant stream of condemnation of the IDF and the Israeli Government. What were they supposed to do after 7/10, tell Hamas to sit on the naughty step and wait for their next murderous attack, wait for them to take more Israeli hostages?

I can see the damage done to Gaza, Hamas knew it would happen, no thought for the civilians who elected them. No shelters or provisions for its people, but hey ho Hamas have tunnels, weaponry and provisions.

Many Israelis do not support their own government or the way the IDF behaves.

JenniferEccles Fri 01-Dec-23 13:47:34

That is the problem Israel is facing - just how many in Gaza are genuinely innocent civilians, compared to the many who are Hamas supporters.

I also wonder why the release of hostages and prisoners is so unequal.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 01-Dec-23 13:48:08

growstuff some Israelis support their Government and the IDF just as some Palestinians support Hamas.

War is, always has been and always will be brutal.

I hope and pray for peace, cannot see it happening whilst Hamas and its supporters are constantly calling for the eradication of all Jews.

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