So pleased to see hostages being released.

Lots of quotes available

Israel is following policies which maximise its security threats... policies which choose expansion over security... policies which lead to their moral degradation, their isolation, their delegitimation, as they call it now, and very likely ultimate destruction. That's not impossible.
Noam Chomsky, 95 years old and still speaks more sense than most of us!

It is impossible to have a Jewish, democratic state and at the same time to control all of Eretz Israel. If we insist on fulfilling the dream in its entirety, we are liable to lose it all. Everything. That is where the extremist path takes us.
Ariel Sharon PM of Israel who had been a terrorist, hard liner and later formed a centrist party. Never too late to learn.

A solution of two national states - a Jewish state, Israel; an Arab state, Palestine. The Palestinians are our closest neighbors. I believe they may become our closest friends.
Shimon Peres PM of Israel, won the Nobel peace prize with Yitzhak Rabin for the Oslo Peace Accord. Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish extremist!

I heard an Israeli speaking on Palestinian human rights issues, an interesting guy, and he said 'There's no military solution to terrorism. If there were, Israel would be the safest place in the world. But there's no military solution.'
Bradley Whitford American actor and producer who says some very sensible things!

There will never be peace while they are killing children...an eye for an eye doesn't work and tens of thousands of deaths of Palestinians will just encourage more young folk to join Hamas

Dont be daft it isnt 'an eye for an eye' for the Israelis.
Its survival. Or be killed in your beds.
Tell Hamas to put Palistinian people first, instead of sacrificing them on order to save themselves.

Namsnanny

Dont be daft it isnt 'an eye for an eye' for the Israelis.
Its survival. Or be killed in your beds.
Tell Hamas to put Palistinian people first, instead of sacrificing them on order to save themselves.

It's not being daft.

There is increasing evidence that even Palestinians in the West Bank are increasingly supporting Hamas.

Ordinary Palestinian people who have seen THEIR children killed in air strikes are MORE likely to support Hamas.

It isn't even an eye for an eye - EACH side in this war (and that includes the Israelis as well as Hamas) has been applying a policy of "If you lose an eye, destroy both eyes and kill the owner of the eyes and all their relatives"

That is what all-out war does, it escalates until there is no-one left to take revenge for what previous attacks have done to them. Nobody wins.

More specifically, I called for the UK Government must do more than merely call on Israel to abide by International
Humanitarian Law, and be proactive in ensuring that no more innocent civilian lives are lost. The Israeli Governments use
of force has surpassed legal and proportionate. There is serious and pressing concern form the international community that
states contributing to Israel’s military front may be complicit in the breach of international law and the death of over
15,000 innocent Palestinian civilians, and asked finally that UK Government to cease extending arms licenses to Israel and
to immediately halt the exportation of weapons or components to Israel, alongside our calls for: immediate ceasefire, the
recognition of the Palestinian State, and support of the ICC investigation into potential war crimes.

I feel very strongly, and I am encouraged that this is a view that many in my constuency share, that this is a time we will look
back on and wonder why Governments like the one in Westminster did not do enough to avert what could potentially be an outright
humanitarian disaster. There is no doubt that the history of Israel and Palestine is long and complicated, with more nuance than is
often given. That said, when it comes to issues like collective punishment of a people, and the avoidable deaths of people innocent
of the crimes of Hamas, it is not difficult to see what the correct response should be.

I will continue to provide you with updates from the UK Parliament as they develop on this humanitarian issue.

Best regards,

from my MP Martin Docherty

Can’t see the UK government stopping arms to Israel when they’re engaged in a conflict with a terrorist organisation!
It won’t happen and nor should it.
In any case, Israel will do what it needs to no matter what the UK government do or say so makes no material difference to the outcome, it would just be ‘words’ and no more than that.
How powerful does Docherty think we are in the world anyway? If it was the US then that may make a difference but am not sure even then that it would tbh.

growstuff

Namsnanny

Dont be daft it isnt 'an eye for an eye' for the Israelis.
Its survival. Or be killed in your beds.
Tell Hamas to put Palistinian people first, instead of sacrificing them on order to save themselves.

It's not being daft.

There is increasing evidence that even Palestinians in the West Bank are increasingly supporting Hamas.

Of course they do and probably have done from the outset.
There was a poll this last week which revealed that three quarters of Palestinians thought what hamas did on Oct 7 th was correct.That’s what the Israelis are up against.

How is it possible to poll palistinians given the fact that there is not much left of the country and most people lost their homes and without medicine food water or energy. Where did you get that information, a poll of palistinians could not take place.
In the same situation were Israel to have a poll I would expect three quarters of Israelis think that killing nearly 20,000 Palestinian women and children ( so far) is also correct.
Sorry Oreo but that had to be nonsense.

I believe that this "poll" was taken in the West Bank not Gaza. Bearing in mind there have been 286 Palestinian deaths including children in the West Bank since 7/10, over 3,000 Palestinians have been arrested including women and children and there are over 700,000 settlers living illegally in Palestinian West Bank, I am perfectly able to believe that support for Hamas is growing there. Add to that, the slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza and the humanitarian crisis caused by Israel's incursion and you have the perfect breeding ground for terrorism.

German and Dutch police have foiled a terrorist plot to kill Jews in Germany and Holland. The terrorists are from the terrorist group Hamas. Since the populations of Europe have little to do with the situation in Gaza, we can only conclude that Hamas do indeed wish to kill all Jewish people, wherever they happen to be.

Maddyone Hamas will kill and create mayhem wherever and whenever they can. They will want to show they are not defeated and they won't care if they kill Jews, Arabs, Americans, or Brits. They are terrorists. They won't be wiped out by killing Palestinians in Gaza, they will only be defeated when they fail to bring in new recruits. That is why the Israeli incursion into Gaza is so dangerous, Israel is doing the recruitment for them not finishing them off!

foxie48

I believe that this "poll" was taken in the West Bank not Gaza. Bearing in mind there have been 286 Palestinian deaths including children in the West Bank since 7/10, over 3,000 Palestinians have been arrested including women and children and there are over 700,000 settlers living illegally in Palestinian West Bank, I am perfectly able to believe that support for Hamas is growing there. Add to that, the slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza and the humanitarian crisis caused by Israel's incursion and you have the perfect breeding ground for terrorism.

The fact is that they thought what hamas did was correct according to the news about this poll, not ‘ well, hamas were very wrong to do those brutal acts but the Israelis have acted badly since then’.
Yes, it was Palestinians in the West Bank that were polled, I didn’t say it was Gaza silverlining48 that would be impossible in a war situation.So not nonsense.

foxie48

Maddyone Hamas will kill and create mayhem wherever and whenever they can. They will want to show they are not defeated and they won't care if they kill Jews, Arabs, Americans, or Brits. They are terrorists. They won't be wiped out by killing Palestinians in Gaza, they will only be defeated when they fail to bring in new recruits. That is why the Israeli incursion into Gaza is so dangerous, Israel is doing the recruitment for them not finishing them off!

Give the IDF time!

maddyone

German and Dutch police have foiled a terrorist plot to kill Jews in Germany and Holland. The terrorists are from the terrorist group Hamas. Since the populations of Europe have little to do with the situation in Gaza, we can only conclude that Hamas do indeed wish to kill all Jewish people, wherever they happen to be.

That’s their stated claim, any Jewish person will do in their eyes and next in line any Westerner will do.

Oreo

maddyone

German and Dutch police have foiled a terrorist plot to kill Jews in Germany and Holland. The terrorists are from the terrorist group Hamas. Since the populations of Europe have little to do with the situation in Gaza, we can only conclude that Hamas do indeed wish to kill all Jewish people, wherever they happen to be.

That’s their stated claim, any Jewish person will do in their eyes and next in line any Westerner will do.

For some it is, so how does flattening the homes of millions of Palestinians and killing thousands of them stop that threat?

It doesn’t of course, but there’ll be nothing left for hamas in Gaza by the end of this conflict and it will put a very serious dent in it’s capabilities.Also with any luck the people of Gaza will never have hamas back in power there and will turn against them.It’s already happening, with Palestinians there knowing hamas aren’t providing for them and are guarding stores of food and fuel.

Oreo

It doesn’t of course, but there’ll be nothing left for hamas in Gaza by the end of this conflict and it will put a very serious dent in it’s capabilities.Also with any luck the people of Gaza will never have hamas back in power there and will turn against them.It’s already happening, with Palestinians there knowing hamas aren’t providing for them and are guarding stores of food and fuel.

So why is the BBC reporting on its front page that Palestinians in the West Bank think Fatah is useless and are turning towards Hamas?

The Hamas leaders are in Qatar and Lebanon. It's wishful thinking to imagine that Palestinians will forget this - or do you think they will all be killed? Hamas will have a recruitment pool of millions. Who else will they look towards to lead them?

I saw the BBC report about Palestinians in the West Bank turning towards Hamas too. However I also saw a report, either BBC or ITV, sorry can’t remember which but those are the two channels we watch for news reports, and it featured a Palestinian woman, in huge distress, almost tearing her hair out such was her angst, and she was blaming Hamas for stealing all the aid, food and water, and leaving the general population nothing.

Given the horrendous situation in Gaza, Palestinians in the West Bank would do well to avoid favouring Hamas.

It’s been reported that three Israeli hostages have been killed by Israeli forces by mistake. What a terrible mess it is and I wonder where it will end?

If the IDF can't tell the difference between Israeli hostages and Hamas, how can they tell the difference between Hamas and innocent Palestinians? Of course they can't so basically they are killing everyone and anyone. It's wholesale slaughter which is why they are creating more terrorists rather than eliminating them unless they manage to kill everyone in Gaza. Total madness and they have lost the support of most of the world, even the US is wobbling. This could become a full scale war in the middle East because of Israel's intransigence. I don't support Hamas but I do support the Palestinians's right to exist.

Vintagewhine

I don't support Hamas but I do support the Palestinians's right to exist.

Do you also support the right for Israel and Jews anywhere to exist?

Do you also support the right for Israel and Jews anywhere to exist?

Good question tickingbird.

The two are not either/or supports. Jews and Palestinians can exist anywhere, and they can should be able to co-exist peacefully anywhere too, without the need to annihilate one another.

If they find it impossible to co-exist because of their mutual history, then they BOTH need areas where they can live in peace without harassment by the other. Those areas do not exist at the moment - and a safe area for each will not exist without a safe area for the other, which neither will achieve through an escalating war.

tickingbird

Vintagewhine

I don't support Hamas but I do support the Palestinians's right to exist.

Do you also support the right for Israel and Jews anywhere to exist?

I have made my position clear in previous posts. However perhaps you might answer a question. Do you believe Israel has the right to kill innocent women and children in order to exist? Do you believe their right to exist is more important than the right of Palestinians to exist? I believe Israel has the right to defend itself as long as it stays within the law what do you believe?