Migration comparison

If Australia is actively recruiting immigrants why didn't our government make arrangements to send all the illegal immigrants to Australia rather than Rwanda?

Many illegal immigrants ar professional people,: doctors, engineers, teachers, all the professions that Australia needs as much as we do.

growstuff

I wonder if people realise how much foreign students are charged for degrees in the UK. Courses usually cost about three times as much for foreign students, so nearly £30,000 a year plus the students have to fund their own rent and maintenance.

Education at British universities is a successful export.

All students have to fund their own rent, and maintenance not just foreign ones. Or are you saying we should fund it for them.
I believe it is their choice to study overseas, and all that goes with it.

Freya5

growstuff

I wonder if people realise how much foreign students are charged for degrees in the UK. Courses usually cost about three times as much for foreign students, so nearly £30,000 a year plus the students have to fund their own rent and maintenance.

Education at British universities is a successful export.

All students have to fund their own rent, and maintenance not just foreign ones. Or are you saying we should fund it for them.
I believe it is their choice to study overseas, and all that goes with it.

I suggested nothing of the sort!!

What I have said is that foreign students bring in overseas income to the UK - nearly £10 billion at the last count just for fees. They also bring in income to pay for rents and their maintenance, which benefits local economies.

The University of Sunderland derives 41% of its income from foreign students. Without the money to subsidise courses, it would struggle to offer all the courses it does. The money foreign students bring with them is spent in the local economy, so provides jobs in an area of high unemployment.

PS. UK students are able to take out loans for fees and maintenance, which overseas students can't do.

M0nica

If Australia is actively recruiting immigrants why didn't our government make arrangements to send all the illegal immigrants to Australia rather than Rwanda?

Many illegal immigrants ar professional people,: doctors, engineers, teachers, all the professions that Australia needs as much as we do.

That post shows shades of the entitlement of Empire M0nica. Sending our unwanted ones to Australia? I think you might get a very ripe answer from any Australian hearing that.

Huge amounts of reciprocative working, where Australians come here to work and then go home or British people do the same is something that helps us build international firms based in both countries. Do you want to destroy that?

Freya5

growstuff

I wonder if people realise how much foreign students are charged for degrees in the UK. Courses usually cost about three times as much for foreign students, so nearly £30,000 a year plus the students have to fund their own rent and maintenance.

Education at British universities is a successful export.

All students have to fund their own rent, and maintenance not just foreign ones. Or are you saying we should fund it for them.
I believe it is their choice to study overseas, and all that goes with it.

Not all students fund their own rents. Some are entitled to housing benefit. Also some part-time students may be eligible to Universal Credit.

DaisyAnneReturns

M0nica

If Australia is actively recruiting immigrants why didn't our government make arrangements to send all the illegal immigrants to Australia rather than Rwanda?

Many illegal immigrants ar professional people,: doctors, engineers, teachers, all the professions that Australia needs as much as we do.

That post shows shades of the entitlement of Empire M0nica. Sending our unwanted ones to Australia? I think you might get a very ripe answer from any Australian hearing that.

Huge amounts of reciprocative working, where Australians come here to work and then go home or British people do the same is something that helps us build international firms based in both countries. Do you want to destroy that?

I didn't think thatMOnica was being serious with that suggestion...

Right. Thank you for explaining the joke

DaisyAnneReturns

Just thinking about when those students could have started their courses.

I doubt it could gave been during the Covid years as Australia locked down pretty hard. It was difficult for Australians to go home! I would guess January (the start of the Australian academic year) 2022 would be the beginning of the return to a normal intake which would look like an uptick after 2020 (no deaths by March that year but they locked down before us) and 2021.

I think we need much more information before accepting and comparing this bias.

No overseas students were allowed into Australia during their strict lockdowns and much teaching/lecturing was carried out online.

I'd need to know whether there was a big increase on pre-Covid figures before commenting but it's too late to do any research now.

Many students work as well as being in education and must add to the Australian economy.

nanna8

You can disappear in Australia if you want to. Separate states, different rules for each and vast distances. Not so easy as it once was but still possible.

Oh, I know!!
😲

DaisyAnneReturns

Freya5

growstuff

I wonder if people realise how much foreign students are charged for degrees in the UK. Courses usually cost about three times as much for foreign students, so nearly £30,000 a year plus the students have to fund their own rent and maintenance.

Education at British universities is a successful export.

All students have to fund their own rent, and maintenance not just foreign ones. Or are you saying we should fund it for them.
I believe it is their choice to study overseas, and all that goes with it.

Not all students fund their own rents. Some are entitled to housing benefit. Also some part-time students may be eligible to Universal Credit.

Most full time students cannot claim benefits. Only single parents may be able to do so, and if your partner is also a student, and one or both are responsible for a child. Most, but not all, have no claim to housing benefits.

I agree Freya - where did I say anything different? It is simply the case that All students have to fund their own rent, and maintenance not just foreign ones is not, strictly, true.

You're missing the point Freya. Every foreign student brings in thousands of pounds to the UK economy.

Perhaps missing it deliberately growstuff?

Foreign students bring year round benefits to the area they live in. They tend not to go home for the holidays, so pay for accommodation right through the year. Universities and student accommodation employ huge numbers of people to support these students. Without them there would be huge unemployment. I just googled and one of our universities employs over 6000 people. That's without the people employed in some of the student accommodation, shops, places of entertainment and other service providers. Without overseas students this area would be far more deprived than it is.

MaizieD, is right DAR, I was not being serious, just a flippant suggestion to solve an intractable problem, but actaully, quite a sensibles one!

You know what they say about jokes that have to be explained M0nica

But only to you DAR

I preferred this country back in the 60s and 70s when there were far fewer people and more room to move. London in particular is much too crowded as are most cities. I don't want to see any more countryside built on or ruined by new developments. If we allow people to come here forever and a day what on earth will our environment be like? You cannot compare the UK to places like Australia as there is such a huge difference in land area.

I trust that you have had no children and grandchildren to add to the increase in population, Skydancer.

We left what we then thought of as the overcrowded UK in the early 1970s. It was such a relief to go out into the country areas here , enjoy the bush and birdsong and see either no one or just a couple of others. Still is, but things are changing.

M0nica

But only to you DAR

Isn't that assumption a tad arrogant?

Skydancer

I preferred this country back in the 60s and 70s when there were far fewer people and more room to move. London in particular is much too crowded as are most cities. I don't want to see any more countryside built on or ruined by new developments. If we allow people to come here forever and a day what on earth will our environment be like? You cannot compare the UK to places like Australia as there is such a huge difference in land area.

Why would anyone think things would stand still? If they had in the past we would all be agricultural workers and very, very poor.

London could have a decrease in population if the next government follow the suggestion if the Resolution Foundation and grow two more "Londons" in Birmingham and Manchester/Leeds.

DaisyAnneReturns

M0nica

But only to you DAR

Isn't that assumption a tad arrogant?

Oh, for heaven's sake DAR. If you didn't understand the tone of MOnica's original joke can't you just shrug your shoulders and move on?
Do you really have to hunt the offender to the death.

Please drop it...

And who gave you the rights to act as GNHQ? You spend your time insisting we all accept an as yet unacceptable economic theory ( except by a small group of outliers) and I try to bend over backwards when you do, but all you manage is to take your offence, because I cannot agree, into every other discussion going.

MOnica could have 'moved on' about two posts back.

DaisyAnneReturns

You know what they say about jokes that have to be explained M0nica

I don't! What?

But I did take Monica's suggestion as tongue-in-cheek...