6 Day Doctors Strike

Glorianny I didn’t think I had claimed that excess deaths were linked to the fact that doctors continue to strike. Although it could be a coincidence? I think the point is that we don’t know why we have excess deaths following on from the pandemic as far as I know.

The increase in deaths, the age reduction predates the pandemic

Glorianny doesn’t Southern Ireland have a problem with gp numbers? They have 30 percent less than the UK?

Sorry rnib you've lost me. I'm a bear of very little brain and I don't understand why you have brought up excess deaths on a thread about the doctor's strike.
Nor do I understand why Ireland's GP shortage is of interest, unless of course it's because as they pay more they'll be actively and successfully recruiting our junior doctors to fill the gap. Which is another reason they need to be paid properly.

Glorianny I am well and truly lost now. Junior doctors are not on the same pay scale as trainee gps and gps. I am sure that some compromise will be found eventually. At what cost to patient care is for anyone to guess.
I always like to think of consequences and responsibilities.

SueDonim

On the topic of excess deaths, there is a report today about that very same occurring in Scotland, where doctors are not on strike.

Excess deaths are occurring worldwide.

ronib

Glorianny I am well and truly lost now. Junior doctors are not on the same pay scale as trainee gps and gps. I am sure that some compromise will be found eventually. At what cost to patient care is for anyone to guess.
I always like to think of consequences and responsibilities.

It's simple if you are a medical student and you are considering your career, a country which is within easy distance of your family offers you more money and needs GPs. Your own country needs doctors at every level too but isn't paying as much. Where do you go?
Yes the consequences of this awful government's lack of commitment to the NHS are terrible. I can't see them accepting any responsibility.

Glorianny of course Southern Ireland has a high cost of living so salaries need to be higher than here. This might help explain the shortage of gps in that country?

ronib

Glorianny of course Southern Ireland has a high cost of living so salaries need to be higher than here. This might help explain the shortage of gps in that country?

Actually it is about the same. With some things like housing coming in cheaper.
www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/comparison/united-kingdom/ireland

Well Glorianny other comparison sites find differently - Uk definitely cheaper!

Cadenza123

SueDonim

On the topic of excess deaths, there is a report today about that very same occurring in Scotland, where doctors are not on strike.

Excess deaths are occurring worldwide.

Probably as a result of pretending that covid is just a bout of flu and ignoring its far more damaging effect on internal organs and the immune system.

And the absence of any restrictions on going out knowing or suspecting that you have covid, not even a requirement to wear a mask.

And not even reporting Covid cases properly so people have very idea of the infection rate in their community. Information is power. People need to know. And the lack of proper guidance about going to work is appalling. The advice to go to work if you feel okay even if you have Covid is irresponsible in the extreme.

Of course that is nothing to do with the doctor’s strike.

Whatever the merits or demerits of the 'junior' doctors' pay claim the fact is that the strikes are happening on this government's watch and it is doing nothing to resolve the problem which is affecting large numbers of patients.

Grantanow Does paying out billions to locums count as doing something?

ronib

Grantanow Does paying out billions to locums count as doing something?

Is the government doing that? I’d assumed locum payments came from the budgets of the Health organisations affected, resulting in less money for other things, but maybe not?

Casdon well it’s arguable that by not settling with the junior doctors, the government is in effect causing money to be spent and it’s out of the NHS budget I assume?