Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Israel refused to negotiate with terrorists!
Well there’s a surprise!

Molly
I also taught in an inner city school (in Portsmouth, the poorest area on the south coast along with Southampton) and we had children from many countries, including one who spoke Farsi. At that time we had one half day per week of help from a bilingual assistant for each language. There were several languages spoken in each class.
I understand and agree with what you’re saying.

Glorianny

Mollygo
Honestly some people have no idea about teaching in inner city schools the problems of coping with children who arrive with little or no English when ESL teaching has been totally destroyed.You cope. You have to.
And don’t I know it! But Glorianny, you talk as if you’re the only one who can do it!🤣🤣🤣
Don’t get much more inner city than inner city Liverpool, where even the English spoken is sometimes like a second language.
I didn't say that and my remark was addressed to tickingbird. Why would you assume it was directed at you?

Soooooo not sorry Glorianny. I didn’t know you’d invented a new GN rule that meant you are in charge of who can say anything in response to anyone’s posts. 😱

Mollygo

Glorianny

Mollygo
Honestly some people have no idea about teaching in inner city schools the problems of coping with children who arrive with little or no English when ESL teaching has been totally destroyed.You cope. You have to.
And don’t I know it! But Glorianny, you talk as if you’re the only one who can do it!🤣🤣🤣
Don’t get much more inner city than inner city Liverpool, where even the English spoken is sometimes like a second language.
I didn't say that and my remark was addressed to tickingbird. Why would you assume it was directed at you?

Soooooo not sorry Glorianny. I didn’t know you’d invented a new GN rule that meant you are in charge of who can say anything in response to anyone’s posts. 😱

No rule but the common concept "If the cap fits wear it"
You seem to want to wear all the caps
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No retort I notice to tickinbirds idea that I must speak Farsi to teach a Farsi speaking child. Why let that pass? It's a real insult to teachers in inner city schools who cope with children speaking many languages.

No rule but the common concept "If the cap fits wear it"
You seem to want to wear all the caps

Gloriangry-yet another home goal for you.
You want to invent the rules and wear all the caps. 🤣🤣🤣

I was choked up this morning when BBC showed pictures of tiny Palestinian children holding up bowls as some food had arrived. It was the pleading look in their eyes that made me want to weep.
Israel and Hamas share the blame for what is happening to these children . There are no schools for them now as Israel have bombed them as well as many hospitals. Their childhoods have been taken away by continued acts of violence.

No retort I notice to tickinbirds idea that I must speak Farsi to teach a Farsi speaking child. Why let that pass? It's a real insult to teachers in inner city schools who cope with children speaking many languages.

Oh pleaseeeee. Insult my elbow! Get over yourself Glorianny.

This concept that Israel acts in the name of all Jews has to stop.

This is rich from Gloryanny who whole heartedly supports the side in this war that have been so grossly anti-semitic and encouraged others to be so. Equating being Jewish with being Israeli and s upporter for everything that country does.

M0nica

^This concept that Israel acts in the name of all Jews has to stop. ^

This is rich from Gloryanny who whole heartedly supports the side in this war that have been so grossly anti-semitic and encouraged others to be so. Equating being Jewish with being Israeli and s upporter for everything that country does.

If you can post one of mt comments that is anti-semitic then do so Mollygo I have never equated being Jewish with being Israeli.
I have posted links to a Jewish rabbi who opposes Israel. I recognise that there is a substantial body of Orthodox Jews who totally reject the idea of a Jewish state and I know that there were a huge number of Jews marching last Saturday in support of Gaza..
All your attempts to weaponise antisemitism do, is show how desperate you are to justify the appalling slaughter of Palestinians. Many of us knew this was the Israeli objective and are devastated to see the deaths now from starvation and disease following the number killed in the bombing. But we have never blamed this on Jews, many of whom wanted a ceasefire just as we did.

Mollygo you might like to read the Jewish Voice for Peace and their views about genocide and a cease fire. www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

M0nica and Mollygo are two different posters, Glorianny.

However, M0nica makes valid points.

Most posters do not take sides in this dreadful conflict , and posters are fully aware that Hamas does not equate to all Palestinian people.

However, your bias is obvious and comes through in every post.

Glorianny

Ultra Orthodox Jews don’t oppose a Jewish state per se. They believe the return to their homeland will be by divine intervention. Not quite the same.

Apologies to both * Mollygo* and Monica . I address those remarks solely to Monica.
Of course I'm biased Callistemon21 I opposed Russia when they invaded Ukraine.
I oppose any attacks on civilians by any power whatsoever.

But I especially oppose those attacks when they are part of a continuing pattern driving a people from one part of a country to another, slaughtering them in the process and all the time denying them access to food and water and denying them their human rights.

There are plenty of Jews who do support a Jewish state in Israel. There are a little over fifteen million Jews in the world, and over seven million of them live in Israel. One rabbi who doesn’t support the Jewish state is just one person. Jews marching in support of Israel doesn’t mean that they don’t support the Jewish state, it means they support the end of the war!

tickingbird

Glorianny

Ultra Orthodox Jews don’t oppose a Jewish state per se. They believe the return to their homeland will be by divine intervention. Not quite the same.

I think they believe that Zion is not a physical entity but a spiritual one. but I may be wrong

maddyone

There are plenty of Jews who do support a Jewish state in Israel. There are a little over fifteen million Jews in the world, and over seven million of them live in Israel. One rabbi who doesn’t support the Jewish state is just one person. Jews marching in support of Israel doesn’t mean that they don’t support the Jewish state, it means they support the end of the war!

But the Israeli state is raging the war! Calling it a Jewish state further denys the rights of the Palestinians who live under its rule.
There is no anti-semitism in opposing the actions of Israel.

I don’t understand Glorianny. It’s not that I’m calling it a Jewish state, Israel is a Jewish state, although some Palestinians, Arabs, and Christians live there too. Israel has been recognised as a legitimate state by 163 UN member states since November 2023, but international recognition of Israel was granted by many countries in the late 1940s. Of course calling it a legitimate state does not undermine the position of the Palestinians because Israel has been a Jewish state since 1947. Whether you like it or lump it that is the truth. However it’s perfectly clear from your posts that you think Israel shouldn’t exist.

Glorianny I hold in abhorrence any group that sees rape and the murder of children and taking vulnerabke people as hostages as an acceptable military tactic.

These things do happen in all wars when control breaks down, but Hamas are the only group who have officially made it and used it as deliberate military tactic.

You may be flexible enough to condone such tactics when the cause is one you support, but my standards on this are absolute, the deliberate targetting of women, children and vulnerable people as the opening strike of a military campaign puts any group that uses it beyond the pale.

I hold no remit for the Israeli's whose responses are also way beyond acceptable, but Hamas..... after what they did on October 7th, are beyonnd any possible justification.

Yes Monica, you are absolutely right.
What I find unbelievable is that many people choose to ignore what happened on 7/10 which tends to suggest that they think it acceptable. Q

Glorianny

Apologies to both * Mollygo* and Monica . I address those remarks solely to Monica.
Of course I'm biased Callistemon21 I opposed Russia when they invaded Ukraine.
I oppose any attacks on civilians by any power whatsoever.

But I especially oppose those attacks when they are part of a continuing pattern driving a people from one part of a country to another, slaughtering them in the process and all the time denying them access to food and water and denying them their human rights.

Of course I'm biased Callistemon21 I opposed Russia when they invaded Ukraine.
I oppose any attacks on civilians by any power whatsoever.

But casually dismissed and subsequently ignored attacks, murders and continued imprisonment of Israeli people by Hamas terrorists.

X post, maddyone

Most people find the whole situation abhorrent and, in fact, frightening.
They feel great sympathy for all innocents caught up in this and for any people who feel threatened around the world as a consequence of this war.

But Gloryanny you seem to see no wrong in the actions of Hamas, the Houthis and also think Iran is a liberal country.
🤔

After reading the last sentence of your last post Callistemon I am left wondering what are Gloryanny's views on the way Iran treats women who do not wear the hijab, or do not wear it in the way the religious police deem correct?

Callistemon21

X post, maddyone

Most people find the whole situation abhorrent and, in fact, frightening.
They feel great sympathy for all innocents caught up in this and for any people who feel threatened around the world as a consequence of this war.

But Gloryanny you seem to see no wrong in the actions of Hamas, the Houthis and also think Iran is a liberal country.
🤔

I don't think Iran is a liberal country and that is in fact a different discussion I will start a thread on it, because I think the situation with women particularly as regards education is very interesting.

I have never said the events of 7/10 were acceptable.
But I wonder what has Israel done to help release the hostages or to protect them?
It was obvious after the first ones were released that Israel had made a severe miscalculation about where they were being held, and many were held in private homes. What might have happened to them during the bombardment no one knows. I do hope they were got out and are held safely somewhere, but I very much fear they are lying with dead Palestinians under the rubble. I wonder what do you think about a government that prefers to bomb rather than negotiate.

I have never said the events of 7/10 were acceptable I do not find sugar in tea acceptable

What do you think of a terrorist group that officially endorses rape and the killing and dismemberment of children and takeing vulnerable hostages as legitimate ways of conducting a war. Hamas could have gone to international bodies first to seek to negotiate before undertaking these actions.

They could also have just made a straightforward military attack on Israel with out officially adopting the despicable practices they used on 7th October.