Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

They could also have just made a straightforward military attack on Israel with out officially adopting the despicable practices they used on 7th October.

That is something they have done and do continually, fring rockets into Israel.

many were held in private homes

And this is precisely why I think Hamas is supported by many or even most adult Palestinians.
However children cannot support any political or military group (I know that in some countries older children have been brainwashed and forced to fight) and it is the youngest who are suffering from all the horrible effects of the war. Hamas have brought this situation on to their children and therefore I have to conclude that Hamas care not a jot about their youngest members of society. We in the west care a lot, but the people who could stop all this tomorrow do not care at all.

maddyone

^many were held in private homes^

And this is precisely why I think Hamas is supported by many or even most adult Palestinians.
However children cannot support any political or military group (I know that in some countries older children have been brainwashed and forced to fight) and it is the youngest who are suffering from all the horrible effects of the war. Hamas have brought this situation on to their children and therefore I have to conclude that Hamas care not a jot about their youngest members of society. We in the west care a lot, but the people who could stop all this tomorrow do not care at all.

So if an armed man turned up on your doorstep and told you to take in someone and house them in your attic, whilst pointing a gun at your children you would refuse would you?
You do not know why people took them in or what they were threatened with.
Blaming Hamas for the Israeli bombs and the starvation they have inflicted on Palestinian people is just ridiculous. Hamas are not dropping the bombs, Hamas have not prevented food and water reaching the refugees. It was not Hamas who drove Palestinians from their homes. Not just in this war but at every instance since 1948. Some of these children are third and fourth generation refugees. Driven from their homes by Israel. Gaza isn't their land. The Occupied Territories are theirs.
I have asked before (and no one ever answers) if Russia occupied Ukraine would you expect the Ukrainians to give up fighting or to resist?
When Germany occupied France in WW2 who were the heroes? TheFrench resistance or the Vichy government?

Hamas are not dropping the bombs

Hamas fire rockets into Israel every day.
How blinkered you are.

To compare the French Resistance with Hamas is actually beyond the pale.
I have no words.

maddyone

To compare the French Resistance with Hamas is actually beyond the pale.
I have no words.

That's the real problem, some people are unable to look at anything with any other concept but the one they have been conditioned to view things through. Hamas to the Palestinian people may well resemble the French Resistance, being the body fighting to free them from Israeli occupation.
Are the actions of Hamas far more extreme, well yes, but the occupation has gone on for far longer.
It's quite a simple concept, do an occupied people have the right to continue to fight their oppressor? Or must they just submit?

Well Gloriangry why don’t you give us all the answers you would give.

1. So if an armed man turned up on your doorstep and told you to take in someone and house them in your attic, whilst pointing a gun at your children you would refuse would you?

Your answer and your reasoning?
What outcome would you expect whichever action you took?

2. You said I have asked before (and no one ever answers) if Russia occupied Ukraine would you expect the Ukrainians to give up fighting or to resist?

So what would be your answer, and your reasoning?

Hamas are responsible for starting this particular conflict by killing and raping innocent people including children.

Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for taking innocent civilians including children as hostages.
Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for building tunnels underneath homes and hospitals to enable them to continue the activities they started on October 7th.
Do you agree?
If not, what do you believe is the purpose of those tunnels

What do you think the Hamas contribution to stopping this war should be?

Incidentally, I don’t excuse the continued killing that is going on by others in this conflict.

What do you think should happen to stop this conflict.

maddyone

^Hamas are not dropping the bombs^

Hamas fire rockets into Israel every day.
How blinkered you are.

So they do but they do not kill thousands of people.

Mollygo

Well Gloriangry why don’t you give us all the answers you would give.

1. So if an armed man turned up on your doorstep and told you to take in someone and house them in your attic, whilst pointing a gun at your children you would refuse would you?

Your answer and your reasoning?
What outcome would you expect whichever action you took?

2. You said I have asked before (and no one ever answers) if Russia occupied Ukraine would you expect the Ukrainians to give up fighting or to resist?

So what would be your answer, and your reasoning?

Hamas are responsible for starting this particular conflict by killing and raping innocent people including children.

Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for taking innocent civilians including children as hostages.
Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for building tunnels underneath homes and hospitals to enable them to continue the activities they started on October 7th.
Do you agree?
If not, what do you believe is the purpose of those tunnels

What do you think the Hamas contribution to stopping this war should be?

Incidentally, I don’t excuse the continued killing that is going on by others in this conflict.

What do you think should happen to stop this conflict.

Mollygoyour insistence on misspelling my name is unacceptable. I have ignored it up till now, but if you wish to engage in discussion I suggest you stop doing it.
I will simply ignore your posts and because it is actually a personal attack which is against GN rules report your posts if you continue.
I realise you have a real personal problem with me. But you need to get over it. It can't be doing you any good. I do hope you don't have high blood pressure.

Your posts comparing Hamas with the French Resistance are quite disgraceful trisher. 🤬

You really have gone too far this time.

It is you who must have been conditioned.

Apologies, I meant Glorianny

Freudian slip.

I’m sooooo sorry, Glorianny
blame my auto correct!
You aren’t important enough for me to have any problem with you, although you do seem to dislike me contributing to threads you are on or even passing an opinion on posts that you were aiming at someone else.
I recollect you saying you won’t answer my posts before. I just take it that you can’t answer.

Oh dear some people do seem offended when a quite reasonable point is raised.. So put it like this if you were Palestinian, your grandmother had been a refugee, your mother had been a refugee, your family was split between Gaza and the Occupied Territories how do you think you would regard Hamas? The only organisation which had ever stood up to the country which had exiled and seperated your family?
It's about understanding. And the international community has played its part in this never enforcing a single UN resolution

Comparing the French Resistance to those awful thugs hamas isn’t a reasonable point to raise Glorianny and I think you know that.
It doesn’t matter how Gazans view hamas, there will be support of course and a few shades inbetween, but we are where we are.
From reading your many posts I don’t see any sympathy for those 1,400 people, many children, horribly murdered by hamas breaking into their homes or killing sleeping young people at a music festival, many being tortured and raped as well.Awful as the civilian casualties are in Gaza with the shelling of buildings what hamas did was on a different level.
I and others see both sides of this conflict but you appear to see only one.
Your support of the houthis and your very odd view through rose tinted glasses of the Iran regime just confirm it for me.

Glorianny is a Corbyn fan girl. There is no point having any discussion with her on this or any other subject.

Little Britain and “computer says no” always spring to mind when reading some of the posts. Like an automaton programmed to only react a certain way. Some see this behaviour as strong minded but it isn’t. It’s indicative of a closed mindset, incapable of objectivity and stifles any meaningful discussion or debate.

Personally, I wouldn’t bother; it’s futile and soooo boring.

In tv interview Corbyn was asked 15 times to call Hamas a terrorist group, he refused

Bit like the BBC then!

Wow, just wow! Disagreeing with someone is fine but a group of you are persistently making personal attacks on Glorianny which is not acceptable.

She’s made a few on other posters too, or didn’t you notice since you agree with her?

maddyone

She’s made a few on other posters too, or didn’t you notice since you agree with her?

🤣🤣🤣

It doesn’t matter how Gazans view hamas, there will be support of course and a few shades inbetween, but we are where we are.
And there you have it the real reason why the conflict will continue. Why thousands of Palestinians will die. Why Israel will continue to be attacked. Why the conflict will continue long after this bombing has finished.
Because the views of the people in Gaza don't matter, the views of the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories don't matter.
It's a view Israel has always taken. Blocking the path to recognition of a Palestinian state by the UN because to do so would give the Palestinians the right to pursue Israel for war crimes, torture and violations of International law.

Anniebach

In tv interview Corbyn was asked 15 times to call Hamas a terrorist group, he refused

Because Hamas has a political wing just like the IRA and Sinn Fein

Being discussed was the attack on Israel by Hamas, the political wing ?

Oreo

Comparing the French Resistance to those awful thugs hamas isn’t a reasonable point to raise Glorianny and I think you know that.
It doesn’t matter how Gazans view hamas, there will be support of course and a few shades inbetween, but we are where we are.
From reading your many posts I don’t see any sympathy for those 1,400 people, many children, horribly murdered by hamas breaking into their homes or killing sleeping young people at a music festival, many being tortured and raped as well.Awful as the civilian casualties are in Gaza with the shelling of buildings what hamas did was on a different level.
I and others see both sides of this conflict but you appear to see only one.
Your support of the houthis and your very odd view through rose tinted glasses of the Iran regime just confirm it for me.

I haven't compared the deaths of over 25000 people and the injury of over 62,000 with the events of 7/10 but you have.
Apparently the children killed, horribly injured and dying in pain whilst starving matter less to you than those attacked by Hamas.

I'd say both are catastrophic.
But the responsibility of a country to moderate it's actions matters.
A terrorist organisation is not defeated through killing thousands. Israel knows that very well.
Understanding an issue isn't expressing support it is simply taking a balanced view.

This will probably be unanswered by you Gloriannny but is that because you won’t or you can’t answer. Please don’t divert it into talking about wings. I’m talking about the Hamas who carried out the attacks whichever wing they were from.

Hamas are responsible for starting this particular conflict by killing and raping innocent people including children.

Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for taking innocent civilians including children as hostages.
Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for building tunnels underneath homes and hospitals to enable them to continue the activities they started on October 7th.
Do you agree?
If not, what do you believe is the purpose of those tunnels

What do you think the Hamas contribution to stopping this war should be?

Incidentally, I don’t excuse the continued killing that is going on by others in this conflict.

What do you think should happen to stop this conflict.