Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Why are ships changing their identity to Chinese.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/why-many-ships-are-displaying-all-chinese-identity-in-red-sea/articleshow/106865327.cms?from=mdr

It’s fun (if the subject wasn’t so serious) to watch the wriggling. If you don’t condemn something then you endorse it.
Not condemning Hamas for their actions on October 7th means supporting them.

I don’t support the continuing killing by others in this conflict but I do condemn Hamas for their killing, torturing, raping and hostage taking on October 7th.

Do you condemn those carrying out the actions ?
By refusing to condemn them, you endorse them.
I don’t expect you will be able to answer Glorian y. 😁

Mollygo

It’s fun (if the subject wasn’t so serious) to watch the wriggling. If you don’t condemn something then you endorse it.
Not condemning Hamas for their actions on October 7th means supporting them.

I don’t support the continuing killing by others in this conflict but I do condemn Hamas for their killing, torturing, raping and hostage taking on October 7th.

Do you condemn those carrying out the actions ?
By refusing to condemn them, you endorse them.
I don’t expect you will be able to answer Glorian y. 😁

Try to answer my question about if an occupied people are entitled to fight against the occupying forces Mollygo.

Some members of Hamas committed atrocities. They should be brought to justice.
How am I endorsing them?

Why this emphasis on 7/10? Does it make you feel better about the 350,000 Palestinians who need health care?

"The nightmare in Gaza is more than a humanitarian crisis, it is a crisis of humanity."
Since 7 October, nearly 1.9 million people – about 85 per cent of Gaza’s population – have been displaced across the Strip. The vast majority of the 24,000 killed and 59,000 injured* are women and children. Nowhere and no one in Gaza is safe
www.unocha.org/news/gaza-children-under-attack#:~:text=Since%207%20October%2C%20nearly%201.9,one%20in%20Gaza%20is%20safe.
I won't reply to any more of your posts. Your attempts to turn this horror into a game of one-up-manship appall me.

petra

Why are ships changing their identity to Chinese.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/why-many-ships-are-displaying-all-chinese-identity-in-red-sea/articleshow/106865327.cms?from=mdr

🤔

There is far more going on than we know about - yet ☹

Feel free to not, or be unable to reply to my questions Glorianny.
I will reply to any of your posts.
But your comment below, since it’s what you do, is yet another of your own goals and I’m equally appalled by your doing it.
Your attempts to turn this horror into a game of one-up-manship appall me.

Mollygo

Feel free to not, or be unable to reply to my questions Glorianny.
I will reply to any of your posts.
But your comment below, since it’s what you do, is yet another of your own goals and I’m equally appalled by your doing it.
*Your attempts to turn this horror into a game of one-up-manship appall me.*

The smiley face at the end of your post says it all for me.

You lied!! Glorian y 😱😱
You wrote, at 12:14 today
* I won't reply to any more of your posts.*

Well Mollygo and Glorianny you have just demonstrated how very difficult it must be for the actual people on the ground in Palestine and Israel to resolve this war.
Complete horns locked?

ronib

Well Mollygo and Glorianny you have just demonstrated how very difficult it must be for the actual people on the ground in Palestine and Israel to resolve this war.
Complete horns locked?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

The most recent The Rest is Politics podcasts have explained why there is so much discontent in those areas.

Some members of Hamas committed atrocities. They should be brought to justice. How am I endorsing them?

If the above quote from one of Gloryanny's posts hadn't made me almost incontinent with bitter laughter, I would have wept and rent my clothes

What do you not understand Gloryanny*?

IT WAS OFFICIAL HAMAS POLICY, PART OF THEIR PLAN OF CAMPAIGN THAT THE STORM TROOPERS GOING INTO ISRAEL ON 7TH OCTOBER WERE TO ATTACK AND KILL AS NASTILY AS POSSIBLE CIVILIANS. RAPE WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS BEHEAD AND DISMEMEBER SMALL CHILDREN AND BABIES AND TAKE NON-COMBATANTS AND THE VULNERABLE AS HOSTAGES.

and you reduce it to Some members of Hamas committed atrocities

M0nica

^Some members of Hamas committed atrocities. They should be brought to justice. How am I endorsing them?^

If the above quote from one of Gloryanny's posts hadn't made me almost incontinent with bitter laughter, I would have wept and rent my clothes

What do you not understand Gloryanny*?

IT WAS OFFICIAL HAMAS POLICY, PART OF THEIR PLAN OF CAMPAIGN THAT THE STORM TROOPERS GOING INTO ISRAEL ON 7TH OCTOBER WERE TO ATTACK AND KILL AS NASTILY AS POSSIBLE CIVILIANS. RAPE WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS BEHEAD AND DISMEMEBER SMALL CHILDREN AND BABIES AND TAKE NON-COMBATANTS AND THE VULNERABLE AS HOSTAGES.

and you reduce it to ^Some members of Hamas committed atrocities^

Do you imagine shouting makes something true?
Did you look at the link I posted to the unocha. site? I imagine not. Try it. Then shout about that.

All HAMAS are terrorists, this is a fact. They all think the same, they are all scum of the earth and Israel needs to do everything in their power to destroy them. Funny how the other Arab countries aren't getting involved, with all their wealth and influence you would think they'd help in some way. I hope everyone is frightened of Israel and Israel annihilate everyone associated with HAMAS, that is the only way to end this war. Innocent people will be injured and killed but Israel have no choice than to carry on. There is no alternative and no negotiating will bring it to an end

Freshair

All HAMAS are terrorists, this is a fact. They all think the same, they are all scum of the earth and Israel needs to do everything in their power to destroy them. Funny how the other Arab countries aren't getting involved, with all their wealth and influence you would think they'd help in some way. I hope everyone is frightened of Israel and Israel annihilate everyone associated with HAMAS, that is the only way to end this war. Innocent people will be injured and killed but Israel have no choice than to carry on. There is no alternative and no negotiating will bring it to an end

Even if you think that how do you imagine this fulfills that purpose. I'd post one of the pictures but I know it would distress many people. But if you imagine this is damaging Hamas you need to look. These children will recruit for Hamas. I'm shocked. I'm upset. But for many that will exhibit itself as anger and they will seek revenge. How anyone imagines this will ensure the safety of Israel I don't know.
www.unocha.org/news/gaza-children-under-attack#:~:text=Since%207%20October%2C%20nearly%201.9,

“The impact of seeing children in that much pain and not having the equipment, medicines to treat them or alleviate pain is too much, even for experienced professionals. Even in a war zone, the sights and sounds of a young child mutilated by bomb cannot be reconciled, let alone understood, within the bounds of humanity.”

– Jason Lee, Save the Children’s Country Director for the Occupied Palestinian Territory

Glorianny

maddyone

Murder - Hamas are guilty
Torture - Hamas are guilty
Brutality - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of race - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of nationality - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of religion - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of political opinion - Hamas are guilty

So Hamas committed war crimes on seven counts on 7/10

All of those are crimes which Israel has been guilty of since it occupied Palestinian land.
It has had numerous UN resolutions passed against it all of which it has refused to comply with.
It was described by Amnesty International as an apartheid state.
How can you expect one organisation to comply with International law when its enemy obviously doesn't?
Hamas are probably guilty and the perpetrators if they can be found should be arrested and brought to trial.
But so should the government of Israel which can easily be identified and brought to justice.
I've asked this question many times and never get an answer. Should a people submit to occupation or do they have a right to resist the oppressor?

First of all, you say ‘hamas are probably guilty, so there is doubt in your mind despite it being a fact and they have taken great pride in their barbarity.
Secondly, in answer to your question in the last paragraph, Gaza was not under occupation.Gaza had so much money thrown at it, that the government there, hamas in this case, a terrorist organisation that the Gazans unfortunately first voted
for, could have made it a so much better place to live, but chose not to do that.
Your blind acceptance of anything that happens there, or thinking hamas are some sort of saviours of Palestinians in general is pitiful.Just as you see the Houthis as some sort of saviours in Yemen instead of a terrorist group formed from the Houthi tribe who are out for themselves 100%.

Israel has been occupying the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza, which collectively constitute the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT), since 1967.

Contrary to what the Israeli government claims, Israel’s withdrawal of its ground forces from Gaza in 2005 did not end its occupation of Gaza.

That is because, ever since, Israel has maintained effective control over Gaza, including its territorial waters and airspace, the movement of people and goods, except at Gaza’s border with Egypt, and the infrastructure upon which Gaza relies, rendering the Strip an open-air prison.

Under IHL, Israel is required, as the occupying power, to make sure that the basic needs of the population of Gaza, such as food and water, are met.

International human rights law also governs the legal duties of the Israeli authorities towards the population of the OPT, especially given the long duration of the occupation

It has long been recognised that the old "boots on the ground" concept of occupation fails to take account of technological advances and that Israel's blockade of Gaza constitutes under IHL an occupation.

A technical occupation at best then.No Israelis were actually there, and hamas could have, had they chose to, have done well by Gazans instead of stockpiling arms and indoctrinating children and constantly sending suicide bombers into Israel and firing missiles into Israel. They are the very worst thing that could have happened to Gazans, they care nothing for the people and through their medieval barbarity have brought down destruction on Gaza.
Why you have any sympathy for hamas is a mystery.

Oreo

A technical occupation at best then.No Israelis were actually there, and hamas could have, had they chose to, have done well by Gazans instead of stockpiling arms and indoctrinating children and constantly sending suicide bombers into Israel and firing missiles into Israel. They are the very worst thing that could have happened to Gazans, they care nothing for the people and through their medieval barbarity have brought down destruction on Gaza.
Why you have any sympathy for hamas is a mystery.

It isn't sympathy. It's understanding.
If you live in a country occupied by a foreign power do you have the right to rebel and fight against that power or not?

If you are the legitimate government of Gaza as they say they are, then you go down the political route to change things, you stop firing missiles at Israel and stop peddling hate and you definitely don’t send fighters to murder rape and maim, tie up kids and burn them, you don’t torture young men and women and you don’t take hundreds of hostages including old people women and children.You definitely don’t target civilians and then sit back and wait for Israel to fight back when you know damn well what will happen to the people in Gaza.

Its not what you do. It is the way that you do it.

It is now perfectly clear Gloryanny that you totally accept the principle that the ends justify the means.

This means that you accept that breaching the Geneva Conventions and deliberately attacking civilians raping women and girls, and dismembering babies and small ch;ldren, not to mention the kidnap of innocent vulnerable civilians are legitimate means for an armed force to use.

How low can anyone go?

Glorianny

Oreo

A technical occupation at best then.No Israelis were actually there, and hamas could have, had they chose to, have done well by Gazans instead of stockpiling arms and indoctrinating children and constantly sending suicide bombers into Israel and firing missiles into Israel. They are the very worst thing that could have happened to Gazans, they care nothing for the people and through their medieval barbarity have brought down destruction on Gaza.
Why you have any sympathy for hamas is a mystery.

It isn't sympathy. It's understanding.
If you live in a country occupied by a foreign power do you have the right to rebel and fight against that power or not?

If you check (as you advise us to do) you will find that the term 'Occupied' is not, in fact, correct in this instance under the Law of Occupation.

Glorianny

Some members of Hamas committed atrocities. They should be brought to justice.
How am I endorsing them?

This is why I don’t take you seriously.

It wasn’t some rogue members of this ‘political party’ with its civil servants you post about. This wasn’t a random group of Hamas fighters. This was a carefully planned operation to massacre and torture innocent civilians and peaceful ones at that. I read only the other day another account by one of the journalists that saw the footage, mostly found on bodycam retrieved from dead terrorists. He spoke of family groups bound with wire (young children included) and burned alive. They still haven’t managed to identify them all.

The order came from the top. Stop defending the indefensible.

You can protest about the Israeli government’s retaliation and I agree it’s a dreadful situation but why do you persist in this nonsense that Hamas are a legitimate government? You do yourself no favours and quite frankly invite ridicule.

Callistemon21

Glorianny

Oreo

A technical occupation at best then.No Israelis were actually there, and hamas could have, had they chose to, have done well by Gazans instead of stockpiling arms and indoctrinating children and constantly sending suicide bombers into Israel and firing missiles into Israel. They are the very worst thing that could have happened to Gazans, they care nothing for the people and through their medieval barbarity have brought down destruction on Gaza.
Why you have any sympathy for hamas is a mystery.

It isn't sympathy. It's understanding.
If you live in a country occupied by a foreign power do you have the right to rebel and fight against that power or not?

If you check (as you advise us to do) you will find that the term 'Occupied' is not, in fact, correct in this instance under the Law of Occupation.

I'm not defending anyone just saying that those responsible should be brought to justice and not a whole people punished for something they had no part in.

Callistemon21

Glorianny

Oreo

A technical occupation at best then.No Israelis were actually there, and hamas could have, had they chose to, have done well by Gazans instead of stockpiling arms and indoctrinating children and constantly sending suicide bombers into Israel and firing missiles into Israel. They are the very worst thing that could have happened to Gazans, they care nothing for the people and through their medieval barbarity have brought down destruction on Gaza.
Why you have any sympathy for hamas is a mystery.

It isn't sympathy. It's understanding.
If you live in a country occupied by a foreign power do you have the right to rebel and fight against that power or not?

If you check (as you advise us to do) you will find that the term 'Occupied' is not, in fact, correct in this instance under the Law of Occupation.

Sorry even the US refers to them as The Occupied Territories. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make
www.globalr2p.org/countries/israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territory/