Would the Tories dare to hoist yet another prime minister onto the country?

I listen to the radio more than watching the tv/political programs due to work. I've noticed they play more of David Cameron talking or making statements rather than Rishi and I admit in my new year/I hate January haze, I have been

I despair at the Tory party, I cannot believe how they have managed both themselves and the country during their period in power. The mishandling and corruption beggars belief, the best thing they can do is clear off and call a general election but I can't see that happening, so I suppose I'll have to take some enjoyment in watching them fight like rats in a sack. I suppose getting rid of Sunak means they could say 'we're a different party now, all back to usual' but people aren't going to forgive the lack of access to medication, botched Brexit arrangement, lies about money going to the NHS on a bus, struggles to pay bills, lack of GP access, no longer any NHS dentist, I could go on, it wasn't any one MP responsible for this, but all the Tories

I heard the Tories described as a ‘circular firing squad’ this afternoon. Very apt.

Not sure if Sunak can survive this. But he needs to hold the centre of his party (the biggest faction) or it will all come undone.

What a mess.

I’d say yet another change of prime minister is unthinkable. If Sunak falls there’d have to be a general election. I feel sorry for him. A decent man with all the cards stacked against him by his own party.

@winterwhite Why on Earth would you feel sorry for Sunak?! He's a Tory through and through and they're all awful (though Jeff Norcott did make me chuckle A LOT on the News Quiz!). He has no integrity, is only in it for himself (and his wife) and the sooner they're all out of the Commons the better. And don't think for one minute I'm a Starmer fan because I'm really not.

I don't feel sorry for him Winterwhite, or anyone in his party. They have presided over huge excess deaths in covid, excess deaths from the way they have run the NHS down, obscene amounts of our money paid to big businesses often owned by their friends, benefit cuts that have put families on low incomes into poverty. I can't wait to vote them out

They won’t sack Sunak before GE for better or worse he will stay, the only uncertainty is how badly they will do. I’m expecting a hung parliament with Starmer as PM, unless something changes I don’t think he is strong enough to win a decent majority.
A marginal majority will see his extremists plaguing him with compromises, so although the Tories will be out it won’t be easy.

Katie59

They won’t sack Sunak before GE for better or worse he will stay, the only uncertainty is how badly they will do. I’m expecting a hung parliament with Starmer as PM, unless something changes I don’t think he is strong enough to win a decent majority.
A marginal majority will see his extremists plaguing him with compromises, so although the Tories will be out it won’t be easy.

Why do you think Starmer isn’t strong? Look how he’s united the Labour Party. Just read what Jess Phillips wrote about him when she recently resigned from the shadow cabinet. No nastiness when she resigned, knows he still has a place for her in government. Think she said she’s only seen him lose his temper once ( I can’t remember what it was over, or she might have said she’s never seen him lose his temper). I’ll try to find the article.

If Sunak sees a call for his resignation coming surely he just has to threaten to call an election.

Katie59

They won’t sack Sunak before GE for better or worse he will stay, the only uncertainty is how badly they will do. I’m expecting a hung parliament with Starmer as PM, unless something changes I don’t think he is strong enough to win a decent majority.
A marginal majority will see his extremists plaguing him with compromises, so although the Tories will be out it won’t be easy.

I’m not expecting the Tories to gain more than the 170ish seats being predicted, if there is a hung parliament it will be because people have voted for other parties, not just for Labour.

Hoist?

FOIST

Dorries reckons

‘I’m calling it now.
The plan is to install David Cameron as next leader of the party following defeat in the GE.’

I think that’s against her own party’s rules, but the Tories are in such chaos, maybe none of them will notice.

Lord! I've heard Suella Braverman's name cropping up hither and thither, so character bankrupt are the Conservative party. But would she be ambitiously desperate enough to step in?

So instead of concentrating on things that actually matter to people like energy costs, mortgage interest rates, the NHS, education, councils bankrupt, sewage in our waters etc the Tories are falling out with themselves because their batshit Rwanda policy isn’t batshit enough. The sooner they go the better.

It's interesting that David Cameron hasn't wasted any time making his views heard. He is much more confident that Sunak. I don't like the man, but he is more definite in his opinions, whereas Sunak is rather sycophantic.

It is true that the Conservatives still have a chance of winning the election is they could just get their act together. They need a strong, patriotic leader who will put Britain first.
Someone like Trump!

Someone like Trump

God help us.
Next we will have somebody reminding us how Mussolini got all the trains to run on time.

Curtaintwitcher

It's interesting that David Cameron hasn't wasted any time making his views heard. He is much more confident that Sunak. I don't like the man, but he is more definite in his opinions, whereas Sunak is rather sycophantic.

It is true that the Conservatives still have a chance of winning the election is they could just get their act together. They need a strong, patriotic leader who will put Britain first.
Someone like Trump!

It’s not true. Boris Johnson was the UK Trump equivalent, and there isn’t somebody else like him waiting in the wings here. Even if there was, and if they could unite the warring factions, the Tories have now burnt too many bridges with the electorate, and wouldn’t be elected again next time.

I've just been reading an article about Trump. Based on statistics, case study research and polling. They found he does not appeal to American voters on economic grounds but on core cultural values.

One of which is an appeal to popular sovereignty over and above liberal democracy. So the argument is that moral virtue and power should be with the ordinary people and not the elites.

The second dimension is anti-establishment, and this is opposed not just to political and economic elites but also to other perceived power-holders, like intellectuals or journalists or other groups at the top of society.

And then thirdly, even though it's about popular sovereignty in practice, there aren't that many mechanisms. Mechanisms like public opinion polls or other forms of democratic referendum are typically weak. So in practice, what happens is the power is seen to reside in the individual leader, the charismatic leader who represents the voice of the ordinary people.

So you can think of populism as a way to critique liberal democracy, which opens the door for a variety of leaders who have different ideologies, whether we're talking Hugo Chavez in Venezuela or Donald Trump in America.

The only thing populist leaders seem to have in common is authoritarianism. Left or right this is what their followers are looking for.

So populism is rather an empty shell when it comes to what its positives are, but it is always clear what it is against: established power.

Is that what this country would welcome Curtaintwitcher?. Whether it is the stamp of the Jackboot or the insidious re-education of those in Mao suits, we have fought these things to grasp democracy. Are you really saying you share the core cultural values of those who want authoritarianism rather than democracy?

www.vox.com/conversations/2017/3/27/15037232/trump-populist-appeal-culture-economy

RosiesMaw

Hoist?

FOIST

Just seen this and sorry not to reply before.

No - I did mean hoist - raise up yet another Tory idiot to be PM.

You could add foist if you like - as no one would want another idiot.

Fair comment - both seem appropriate

Whitewavemark2

RosiesMaw

Hoist?

FOIST

Just seen this and sorry not to reply before.

No - I did mean hoist - raise up yet another Tory idiot to be PM.

You could add foist if you like - as no one would want another idiot.

You are very forgiving, Wwmk2😆

I thought that posting solely to correct a perceived lexical error was very rude and against the supposed 'spirit' of the forum.

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

RosiesMaw

Hoist?

FOIST

Just seen this and sorry not to reply before.

No - I did mean hoist - raise up yet another Tory idiot to be PM.

You could add foist if you like - as no one would want another idiot.

You are very forgiving, Wwmk2😆

I thought that posting solely to correct a perceived lexical error was very rude and against the supposed 'spirit' of the forum.

You’d know about that

RosiesMaw

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

RosiesMaw

Hoist?

FOIST

Just seen this and sorry not to reply before.

No - I did mean hoist - raise up yet another Tory idiot to be PM.

You could add foist if you like - as no one would want another idiot.

You are very forgiving, Wwmk2😆

I thought that posting solely to correct a perceived lexical error was very rude and against the supposed 'spirit' of the forum.

You’d know about that

Would you like to point me to where I have ever corrected a poster's spelling, grammar or choice of word?

I really couldn't be bothered to join a thread just to nitpick at another poster's use of English.

I have not heard any Conservatives call for Sunak to resign. I think it’s much more subtle. It could be just that whoever is running the party has lost the plot. It is a bit unfortunate that Sunak reminds me of a puppet in appearance but that is in part due to the way he is filmed, I guess?