Brexit Fallout

MaizieD

I agree that Starmer is being sensible, but that doesn't stop other people talking about it, does it?

Who is stopping whom saying what, Maizie?

Joseanne love what you did there 😄 level ploughing field
Galaxy I agree with all your comments.
As somebody who could see both sides at the time of voting I went for Remain just to keep what we had as not all change is good, but the endless moaning from people since then on SM won’t do any good, it just makes for bitterness.
The awful pandemic did more harm to people’s lives than Brexit ever will.
Posters in France not getting their mitts on black treacle easily will just have to be lived with.

Whitewavemark2

😄 yes I guess so, but why if they are happy to see the economy less robust as a result of Brexit do they bother with these threads? I wouldn’t. I can happily ignore thread that I think are not for me.

If Brexit is the cause of our economic decline, how to you account for the decline of the power house of europe Germany?

Joseann

^Now you are whinging because they are keeping to the rules!!^
Well I guess that's a positive for once where the French are concerned!! (Joke)

So you still think joking about us deliberately destroying our trading arrangements with world's largest trading block is still something to make light of?

Heaven save us - because some voters really do seem out for self-distruction.

petra

Whitewavemark2

😄 yes I guess so, but why if they are happy to see the economy less robust as a result of Brexit do they bother with these threads? I wouldn’t. I can happily ignore thread that I think are not for me.

If Brexit is the cause of our economic decline, how to you account for the decline of the power house of europe Germany?

I don’t account for it.

But no one except the headbangers would argue that the U.K. economy has benefited from Brexit.

It hasn’t benefited to the tune of

OBR figures

4% drop in productivity
15% drop in imports and exports

New trade deals with any nonEU countries will have no material impact.

There is of course a lot more data showing a negative impact.

It's pretty obvious that Brexit is going to cost the UK billions over the coming years because we left an important trading structure and because the Tory Buffoon failed to get Brexit done in any useful sense. Most of the trading treaties the Tories trumpet are carbon copies of ones the EU already had from which we benefitted. The Tories are going to lose most of red wall seats because voters realise they have been conned. Labour should strive to renegotiate terms with the EU.

Anyone given any consideration to the Talbot Steel works and Tata/government insistence that it is all to do with net zero?

Strange thought that Tata steel works are alive and kicking in Europe though, and set to expand.

Imports are getting more expensive because of shipping issues. I don’t see what the problems of the Panama Canal and the impending problem with the northern shipping routes have got to do with Brexit. We import substantial amounts from non European countries although that amount is decreasing, unlike our EU imports /exports which are increasing (as are our exports to non EU countries).

Oreo

Joseanne love what you did there 😄 level ploughing field
Galaxy I agree with all your comments.
As somebody who could see both sides at the time of voting I went for Remain just to keep what we had as not all change is good, but the endless moaning from people since then on SM won’t do any good, it just makes for bitterness.
The awful pandemic did more harm to people’s lives than Brexit ever will.
Posters in France not getting their mitts on black treacle easily will just have to be lived with.

No, it seems that awful as the covid pandemic was, the impact of Brexit is actually much worse

"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.

Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.

He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".

"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC.

His comments come after the OBR said the cost of living could rise at its fastest rate for 30 years, with suggestions inflation could hit almost 5%."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59070020

Imports are going to get even more expensive because import controls (which the government have postponed 5 times) required by Brexit start next week.

Here (again) is an ITV news link explaining the timescale and consequences

www.itv.com/news/2024-01-25/fruit-and-veg-prices-predicted-to-rise-in-uk-when-new-post-brexit-controls-bite

And here is a report by the British Meat Producers Association explaining g why they think the new rules for meat, due to be implemented from April 30th, will be problematic.

That was in response to Gillycats post.

Those controls are a good thing regarding the import of meat. No point in having allegedly high standards here and then importing meat that that is frankly well below standard. It also should encourage people to buy British. Which to be honest is looking like we might well have to do.

varian

Oreo

Joseanne love what you did there 😄 level ploughing field
Galaxy I agree with all your comments.
As somebody who could see both sides at the time of voting I went for Remain just to keep what we had as not all change is good, but the endless moaning from people since then on SM won’t do any good, it just makes for bitterness.
The awful pandemic did more harm to people’s lives than Brexit ever will.
Posters in France not getting their mitts on black treacle easily will just have to be lived with.

No, it seems that awful as the covid pandemic was, the impact of Brexit is actually much worse

"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.

Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.

He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".

"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC.

His comments come after the OBR said the cost of living could rise at its fastest rate for 30 years, with suggestions inflation could hit almost 5%."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59070020

I wrote did more harm to people’s lives, am not talking of cold numbers here!
People matter more than economic forecasts.

Gillycats

Those controls are a good thing regarding the import of meat. No point in having allegedly high standards here and then importing meat that that is frankly well below standard. It also should encourage people to buy British. Which to be honest is looking like we might well have to do.

But that’s a good thing in my opinion, if I can I always try and support British food and goods.

Joseann

^Farmers are taking to the roads and tossing manure left, right and centre.^
Government offices suffering the most.
That's correct Louella. French farmers don't like all the mew EU regs they have to abide by ..... like not ripping out hedging and stopping using pesticides that destroy ecosystems.
Are French farmers really hard done by? The ones I’ve known personally did very well out of their small operations. They get grants and tax benefits for loads of things, while UK farmers struggle with very little. Its not a level ploughing field.

I live in a part of rural France. When we first moved here there were dozens of buzzards in the sky. Now we rarely hear them.
About 3 years ago I found a dead Great Horned Owl at the bottom of my field. It could have fallen off it's perch because of old age but it didn't look old. My own feeling is the use of pesticides.

Urmstongran

glammagran

Hormone fed beef cattle imported from Canada? No thanks! Apart JRM who I’m sure thinks it’s fine.

Along with Canadian population!

They probably don't know any different.

Oreo

Joseanne love what you did there 😄 level ploughing field
Galaxy I agree with all your comments.
As somebody who could see both sides at the time of voting I went for Remain just to keep what we had as not all change is good, but the endless moaning from people since then on SM won’t do any good, it just makes for bitterness.
The awful pandemic did more harm to people’s lives than Brexit ever will.
Posters in France not getting their mitts on black treacle easily will just have to be lived with.

My lack of obtaining black treacle here was an extremely minor quibble. However, it was an example of what is not exported from the UK and some companies are.must be suffering.

Most Brits that I know here are sad about what is happening to the UK but very glad that we no longer live there.

Well, am pretty glad I don’t live in France😂

Oreo

Gillycats

Those controls are a good thing regarding the import of meat. No point in having allegedly high standards here and then importing meat that that is frankly well below standard. It also should encourage people to buy British. Which to be honest is looking like we might well have to do.

But that’s a good thing in my opinion, if I can I always try and support British food and goods.

You do, of course, know that there isn't enough 'British food' produced to feed the UK population?

We've been importing food since the 19th century.

Not to mention the fact the the UK climate makes it impossible to produce a great deal of imported foodstuffs.

AANNDD

We don't have enough people to pick and process the food we do grow because we got rid of all those seasonal workers who were doing the jobs the Brits didn't want to do and we really, really don't like letting foreigners in the UK, anyway...

Brexit has divided the nation. Of course the pandemic affected many people's lives but we were all in it and many of us supported others.

MaizieD
Well duh! Ooh I never knew that, amazing what people will do in an effort to patronise on forums.😂

I buy as much from British producers as I can afford to do, and as local as possible too.Farmers markets are another good source of local foods.

I voted leave and I am disappointed with the ‘fallout’ ( for want of a better word )
I just haven’t noticed a single difference - I’m not sure what I was expecting but I was expecting some improvements, especially where immigration is concerned.
But I think the conservatives have just handled it badly.
Not sure what Labour will do when they get in, but we won’t be rejoining anytime soon - if ever.

Oreo

MaizieD
Well duh! Ooh I never knew that, amazing what people will do in an effort to patronise on forums.😂

I buy as much from British producers as I can afford to do, and as local as possible too.Farmers markets are another good source of local foods.

What happens when the homegrown food runs out?

No amount of buying British is going to feed the entire population..

I voted Leave. I’m disappointed too Kandinsky. Boris could have done so much but the opportunity was stymied because of (a) the pandemic (b) the civil serpents and (c) the war in Ukraine.

I truly haven’t noticed anything different in my life. At all.
I was however hoping for so much more. It’s all been a bit of a damp squib….

Excuses, excuses.

Can you not just admit that you made a mistake?

Brexit was bound to damage our country, without a pandemic or European war.

So many leave voters can now see that they were deceived by the liars of the Leave campaign and would never have voted leave if they had known what they now know.