Brexit Fallout

Grantanow

Andrea ('I'm a mum') Leadsom told Kate Burley that businesses simply needed to adapt when Kate skewered her about the £330 million of extra costs they will incur as a result of border checks with the EU. Translation: the Tories don't care about small businesses going to the wall.

Yes, that's been all over my twitter timeline this morning. I liked this comment:

To be fair (at least initially) she is saying businesses knew that there would be extra costs.
She's right and they were telling people like Leadsom this all the time, but she and her friends refused to accept it. She and her friends also lied to the public about it constantly.

Pity Burley didn't challenge her on that.

After all, we were were told things like:

"No-one is talking about leaving the Single Market" Hannon

"We'll have a deal like Norway" Farage (clearly oblivious to the fact that he and the rest were campaigning against Free Movement in the guise of unwelcome immigration, when the Norway deal depends on accepting free movement)

Of course, we might have people claiming that the £330million extra costs to business is more than compensated for by that £350 million a week we're spending on the NHS 👿

Gisela Stewart on this very forum told us all we’d have cheaper energy bills….

The ones feeling uncomfortable are those who voted for Brexit. It was a disaster as voters were lied to. Those liars should be made accountable. Travelling for instance, has been affected.

Both my husband and I have had a few long waits and occurs with some of our meds, mine for diabetes and pain patches, his for heart tablets.

We are not better off away from the EU and I’m still patiently waiting for the oven-ready deals

Brexit is a disaster for this country. Those who believed the fairy tales are responsible for our current situation. The politicians who lied should be made accountable. It is our democratic right to stand up and speak the truth about the fiasco.

I’d love, like many others, to buy exclusively British produce, BUT…..

Often far more expensive
Not always available
Farmers suffering so moving to other ways to make their income

What’s wrong with people? We are a tiny Island, populated, it appears, with people with Empire attitudes

Please can everyone just get on with it. No amount of winging will change anything.

It serves the people right who voted leave. I always knew Brexit was a bad idea.

Homesickforscotland

Please can everyone just get on with it. No amount of winging will change anything.

You're right. The tories have been winging it since Johnson took over. It hasn't changed much..

Or did you mean 'whingeing'? Though I 'm not sure what we're meant to be getting on with...

Homesickforscotland

Please can everyone just get on with it. No amount of winging will change anything.

Erm... we are getting on with it. Partly because that's what people do when 'life' deals a bad card and secondly because we have to.

I suspect what you are really saying is please-can-everyone-stop-talking-about-it?

As the negotiations are still a work-in-progress which is having an impact on some people's lives, the answer is NO.

Those opposed to our original entry didn't stop "winging" about it for 40 odd years, so... brace yourself .

Homesickforscotland

Please can everyone just get on with it. No amount of winging will change anything.

No, it won't. But a properly function government, without the obsession for themselves, might well.

Etoile2701

It serves the people right who voted leave. I always knew Brexit was a bad idea.

Considering the rosy future that was foretold for a Britain going-it-alone and not being shackled by Brussels; and, basically, no Brexit big-wig honestly highlighting the negatives which various enthusiasts are now at pains to point out we-should-have-realised/known/understood - I think it's a bit much to blame those that voted to Leave for the resultant mess.

I blame the Leave Liars

Now many good folk who believed the lies do feel guilty.

Those who were deceived into voting Leave, but now understand the truth should shout it from the rooftops

-"We were fooled by the Leave Liars into damaging our country - which we never wanted to do. Never again should anyone in the UK trust the right wing propaganda of The Daily Mail, The Daily Express, The Sun, The Daily Telegraph... The interests of their billionaire proprietors are not your interests"

There were plenty of warnings from politicians and others who opposed Brexit which Leave voters could have listened to instead of being seduced by the lies and propaganda of the other side. The Leave voters are responsible for the mess.

Grantanow yes, exactly. I’m always astounded when Brexit voters say ‘this isn’t what I voted for’, because it’s definitely what I voted against.

Unfortunately 'Project Fear' was stronger than facts...

MaizieD

Unfortunately 'Project Fear' was stronger than facts...

Agreed. My experience on Gransnet is some people don't like facts (especially about private medicine scamming off the NHS) but Brexit is a prime example. The emotional thrust of Leave overwhelmed the facts of Remain.

Grantanow. There’s another scam surrounding the NHS- poaching doctors and nurses from third world countries.
Not to mention New Zealand and Australia skimming off the Uk trained medics. Facts and more facts - take your pick!

ronib

*Grantanow*. There’s another scam surrounding the NHS- poaching doctors and nurses from third world countries.
Not to mention New Zealand and Australia skimming off the Uk trained medics. Facts and more facts - take your pick!

Why is it a scandal when other countries employ doctors trained her, but not a scandal when we employ doctors trained in other countries?

Casdon I did say take your pick! All a matter of perception don’t you think?
Although arguably it is worse to take trained medics from quite impoverished countries to fill in the gaps here caused by an exodus to NZ and Australia from the Uk.

No ronib I don’t think it’s all a matter of perception. We are talking about highly trained professionals having control of their own career paths, and they, like every other profession should be able to decide their own work destiny. Don’t forget that every doctor who leaves the UK is doing so for a reason - for most of them it’s because they are offered better working conditions and higher pay elsewhere. That’s also why the UK has so many medical vacancies, less doctors from overseas want to work in the UK now, for the same reasons.

Casdon the cost of medical training per doctor is huge. I think one condition of training is to stay for a set period say 5 years or else repay the training costs.
And also very important to spell out to hopeful entrants exactly how much pay is on the table plus working conditions. It gives time to reconsider alternative careers.

What is it that makes you think that it is junior doctors who don’t already have five years experience who are leaving the NHS?
www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/22/nhs-growing-exodus-senior-doctors-surgeons-foreign-healthcare-systems

casdon. Not the point - if after working 5 years , junior doctors leave the profession or country, then at least the home country has had some benefit from the very expensive training costs.

Although listening to Amanda Pritchard head of the NHS on Laura K recently, technology is being developed- robotic surgery, Artificial Intelligence etc which should help with delivery of services.

It absolutely is the point ronib. The vast majority of UK trained doctors do work already for 5 years for the NHS post qualification. More senior doctors leaving creates much harder to fill gaps in the system.
There are some excellent reports from the GMC which will give you insight into what is happening and why.
www.gmc-uk.org/-/media/documents/drivers-of-international-migration-research-final-report_pdf-88769526.pdf
www.gmc-uk.org/-/media/documents/migration-decisions-research-report_pdf-94525731.pdf