Will Israel comply to the ICJ ruling?

With regard to the death toll in Gaza. Historically Hamas HM have always provided the figures which have been proven pretty accurate in past conflicts, however, there is no denying that they have a clear incentive to inflate the figures.

So with this in mind, a number of agencies including Human Rights Watch and others, have used other information to try to judge the accuracy of the Hamas data, and have all concluded that the figures are as accurate as is possible given the chaotic nature of the situation. In past conflicts there has been up to 8% inaccuracy - either way at any one time.

Callistemon21

silverlining48

40% of Gazans are children so 30% are women making the+majority 70% women and children. ,
That leaves 30% men so it’s obvious more women and children will be killed because there are a lot more of them..

40% of Gazans are children

Compared to an average of about 18% in the UK and a global average of about 25%.

Why?

Population age structure varies largely according to the status of the country, - so developing countries tend to have a much younger age bulge than developed countries like the U.K.

Effective governance and stability also plays a part.

maddyone

^as far as I’m concerned a two state solution should have been negotiated years ago^

What a shame they didn’t ask you to negotiate it then, because by now it would all be sorted.

Oh dear! 😄

I refer you to the numerous efforts since the 1920s - which suggests that the two state solution will be the only answer to the appalling level of death and destruction.

2007 was looking so hopeful - but seem to fall by the wayside through lack of effort.

Figures of deaths given by Hamas and HRW !

Anniebach

Figures of deaths given by Hamas and HRW !

Unless there are others that is all we have to go on. If it sits uncomfortably then find other ones.

No

We can just express our concerns about using information from Hamas. If its sits uncomfortably for you to do this just find a way to deal with it.

This problem has dragged on for too long and a solution needs to be found. The leaders need to get together and come to some agreement. Slaughtering each other achieves nothing but more hatred.
I'm surprised at the Israelis. They are known for the efficiency, but seem to have allowed the Hamas to gain strength. Unless that has been their intention...the massacre on 7th October might have given them the excuse they needed to start bombarding Gaza.
The Arabs and Jews both claim descent from Abraham, and he settled in the land which became Canaan/ Palestine/ Israel. It belongs to both and they should learn to live together in the same country.

I can't understand about everyones squabbling about how many people have died or injured. The fact is there are TOO many innocent people dead , too many parents have buried their children , too many children have buried their parents . Dose it really matter what the number is ????
Also both sides have done atrocities, neither of them are squeaky clean .

Glorianny

I don't know if Israel or Hamas will comply with the ruling (although I do wonder if the hostages are still alive and if anyone knows where they are)
I do hope the UK will stop supplying arms to Israel so facilitating this genocide.

It is not genocide, it is war, started by hamas. Will you ask Iran to stop supply arms to them, guess not.

65KL Unfortunately the images of people in distress in Gaza are real !

Of course they are. But they are also carefully chosen and edited by people with motives and viewpoints that may or may not coincide with yours or mine.

Freya5

Glorianny

I don't know if Israel or Hamas will comply with the ruling (although I do wonder if the hostages are still alive and if anyone knows where they are)
I do hope the UK will stop supplying arms to Israel so facilitating this genocide.

It is not genocide, it is war, started by hamas. Will you ask Iran to stop supply arms to them, guess not.

The ICJ ruled
At least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the (Genocide) Convention," the judges said

I don't live in Iran I live in the UK and I object to supplying any weapons to a country that can even be suspected of genocide.

‘From the river to the sea’ isn’t a cry for genocide ?

65KL

I can't understand about everyones squabbling about how many people have died or injured. The fact is there are TOO many innocent people dead , too many parents have buried their children , too many children have buried their parents . Dose it really matter what the number is ????
Also both sides have done atrocities, neither of them are squeaky clean .

I find it bizarre that there are arguments about how many deaths there are and how few visible men. If it was my family even one death would be too many.

I have seen plenty of men, in fact whole families trying to shelter, or trying to get food for their families. What is the assumption behind emphasising lack of visible men, that they are all secreted in the tunnels, but women and children have to take their chances dodging bombs?

Gaza is being razed to the ground and fellow humans are clearly dying in their thousands, accurate numbers or not.

What if it were us?

65KL

I can't understand about everyones squabbling about how many people have died or injured. The fact is there are TOO many innocent people dead , too many parents have buried their children , too many children have buried their parents . Dose it really matter what the number is ????
Also both sides have done atrocities, neither of them are squeaky clean .

I don't understand it either

I don’t understand why Israel who were attacked in October is asked to stand back but no request to Hamas, because Hamas wouldn’t stand back?

Reuters

Hamas says it will abide by any ICJ ceasefire order if Israel reciprocates. Jan 25 (Reuters) - Hamas said on Thursday that if the International Court of Justice issues a ruling calling for a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, the Palestinian movement will abide by it as long as Israel reciprocates.

Israel won't comply with the ICJ ruling. Neither Netanyahu and his right wing govt nor Hamas want a two state solution so the war in Gaza will continue and innocent women and children will continue to die. Netanyahu's desire to kill as many Gazans as possible outweighs his desire to get the hostages freed. He has been very clear about this right from the start. The fact that a small number of Palestinians (12 out of a workforce of 30K) will be used to justify stopping aid going into Gaza. tbh I am shocked that so many countries are using this as an excuse to stop funding UNRWA, it is a cruel over reaction and IMO, a cowardly political response. It is not possible to justify the actions of Hamas on 7/10, nor is it possible to justify the actions of the IDF in Gaza, both are inhumane acts that should be condemned by the whole world.

foxie48 yes.

Ok well then wait until Hamas releases all the innocent Israeli hostages, which of course was the start of all this along with the horrific slaughter of citizens.

The deaths in Gaza are dreadful, especially those of children who of course are innocent, but Hamas is solely responsible for the devastation.
They have fully admitted that they are hell-bent on eliminating all Jews, so Israel therefore is fighting for its very existence.

Then of course there is the aspect of how many Palestinians are still Hamas supporters.

foxie48 I agree

JenniferEccles I agree

Listened to Lily Evert, she saw October 7th the same as she witnessed when her mother and siblings were taken to death camps, murder and rape.

JenniferEccles

Ok well then wait until Hamas releases all the innocent Israeli hostages, which of course was the start of all this along with the horrific slaughter of citizens.

The deaths in Gaza are dreadful, especially those of children who of course are innocent, but Hamas is solely responsible for the devastation.
They have fully admitted that they are hell-bent on eliminating all Jews, so Israel therefore is fighting for its very existence.

Then of course there is the aspect of how many Palestinians are still Hamas supporters.

I wonder why do you assume the hostages are still alive?
Do you think that Israeli bombs somehow only kill Palestinians?
Or that the hostages will not be subject to the same starvation and thirst Palestinians are?
For that matter with the total lack of communication in some parts of Gaza do you think Hamas even knows if they are alive or not?

JenniferEcclesAnniebach
Rightly or wrongly the only hope of getting hostages back is for a ceasefire to occur
That call is Netanyahus

Agree 65KL.
Agree too with foxie48.
I urge people to donate via Medical Aid for Palestine.

Israel is a secular state according to previous posters. Accepting this, then I am free to criticise Israeli actions and positions without being anti-semitic. How can it be otherwise if Israel is a secular state?