Will Israel comply to the ICJ ruling?

This from www.learnreligions.com may help;
'Ever since its creation, there have been debates and disagreements about the nature of the state of Israel. Formally, it's a secular democracy where Judaism is privileged; in reality, many orthodox Jews believe that Israel should be a theocratic state where Judaism is the supreme law of the land.'

So, like most other things, is as clear as mud then!

GrannyGravy I have cried much today,

Hamas doesn't want a 2 state solution. They want the eradication of Jews.

Have any of your been to Israel? Seen all the road signs/ menus/ tourist books etc etc, all written in Hebrew, Arab and English. Is this a sign of a genocide? Arab professors and doctors there. Teachers. It's baffling how so many seem to side with a regime that espows death and destruction on Jews.

Since the latest conflict began, Hamas leaders have taken a harder line in public, now explicitly calling for the destruction of Israel (and therefore openly rejecting a two state solution).

It matters not if Netanyahu wants or doesn't want a 2 state solution

Hamas doesn't one!

Candelle

The figures on the Palestinians killed in this war come from.... Hamas.

Do you really believe them?

I have queried this figure too Candelle, in another thread but was roundly ridiculed by a couple of other people. I don’t know why this figure is simply accepted when it comes from a group of the most depraved murderers ever put on this earth. Also that almost all the dead are women and children. Really? So where are the men then? Hiding in their tunnels? So no, I don’t take this propaganda at face value.

Having said that, the murderous destruction going on in Gaza now needs to end, but it won’t until Hamas release the hostages and stop firing rockets into Israel and cease all terrorist attacks in Israel.

Candelle

For all that believe that Israel has just aimed rockets and bombs at innocent Palestinian civilians with no targeting of Hamas personnel: only repeatedly hitting innocent women and children (but no men - as shown on your television screens) but then do nothing to help, please read the following. Please also keep in mind that Israel was grievously attacked and did not begin a war.

As of last Sunday, Israel has sent:

9,923 trucks containing 182,670 tonnes of humanitarian aid to the Palestinian people. This comprises:

5,586 trucks transporting 117,350 tonnes of food.

1,440 trucks transporting 20,780 tonnes of shelter

1,143 trucks transporting 13,550 tonnes of medical supplies

947 trucks transporting 19,020 tonnes of water

807 trucks transporting 11,970 tonnes of other aid

For a country that was attacked, I think that they have gone above and beyond. Would the UK have delivered such aid to Germany in the middle of WW11?

Did any GNetters know about this aid? Has it been in the newspapers for you to read?

Thank you for that compelling and important information Candelle.
I would think most people don’t know, but worse, don’t want to know.

I too was ridiculed for doubting the figures, I still do

as far as I’m concerned a two state solution should have been negotiated years ago

What a shame they didn’t ask you to negotiate it then, because by now it would all be sorted.

With regard to aid into Gaza. If there was no access there would be a worse humanitarian crisis than is happening now. They would all starve to death.
I think to be accurate Israel has not sent aid, but has facilitated access to some aid.

Also that almost all the dead are women and children. Really? So where are the men then? Hiding in their tunnels? So no, I don’t take this propaganda at face value.

Yes, that's odd, isn't it maddyone.
Does that mean the women and children are still being used as human shields by men?

40% of Gazans are children so 30% are women making the+majority 70% women and children. ,
That leaves 30% men so it’s obvious more women and children will be killed because there are a lot more of them..

silverlining48

40% of Gazans are children so 30% are women making the+majority 70% women and children. ,
That leaves 30% men so it’s obvious more women and children will be killed because there are a lot more of them..

40% of Gazans are children

Compared to an average of about 18% in the UK and a global average of about 25%.

Why?

I don’t know, big families probably, but that’s the situation there.

So 30% are women and 30% are men in Gaza. So why are the proportion of men killed not made known?
It’s because the words women and children are seen to be more emotive. It’s that simple.
I still don’t accept blindly anything put out by Hamas because they are depraved, murdering thugs!

silverlining48

I don’t know, big families probably, but that’s the situation there.

I can guess why.

Those poor downtrodden women ☹

They just say mostly women snd chikdren. Because that’s what it is. Men die too, of course they do, but so many women and children dying is unusual. In most war situations women can leave the fighting zone, to a safer place, but there’s nowhere safe in Gaza. Even the south which Israel said was safe is being bombed.
Ukrainian women and children move to another oart of Ukraine or move abroad but gazan women and children are trapped and can go nowhere, they are hemmed in by high walls and check points and there is no safe place for them to hide. The places they were told to go for safety are all being bombed daily.
What woukd you do?

Watching the 11,00pm news, certainly a shortage of men , a woman with 5 children and pushing a cart loaded with possessions, followed by several more women lots of children,no men

That was to Maddy

Annie Watching a clip of the 11 pm news is not the whole picture. Assume men are digging people out from buildings, burying the dead, looking for somewhere to stay and keep the cold out, clearing rubble, looking for food, water, the list goes on.

I think I have said enough. I am done. Goodnight,

Never assume anything.

No teenagers !

Anniebach

Watching the 11,00pm news, certainly a shortage of men , a woman with 5 children and pushing a cart loaded with possessions, followed by several more women lots of children,no men

The people I've see in videos collecting aid have been nearly all men. Maybe that's what they're doing.

The problem is the ICJ can't do anything to enforce their rulings . It's basically just for show , again a bunch of people sitting round talking , pretty much a waste of time

lixy
Unfortunately the images of people in distress in Gaza are real !
oreo
The ICJ have said that they have concerns that there are areas of the genocide law that they ARE crossing over into, we will see what their final ruling is

lixy

This from www.learnreligions.com may help;
'Ever since its creation, there have been debates and disagreements about the nature of the state of Israel. Formally, it's a secular democracy where Judaism is privileged; in reality, many orthodox Jews believe that Israel should be a theocratic state where Judaism is the supreme law of the land.'

So, like most other things, is as clear as mud then!

No - until the Knesset decides otherwise, Israel is a secular state. It became a secular state at its formation.

However, it also sees itself as the national state for Jewish people, and this I think is what is muddling people.

Not every individual in Israel is a religious person, indeed at least 45% of Israeli’s of Jewish descent declare themselves as secular.

Just like the U.K. , Israel has no written constitution, but it is clear from its written law that it is a secular state where there is freedom to follow your chosen religion. However, more contentiously, whilst an individual is free to follow her own religion, those of Jewish descent are not recognised as secular under the law - so family law, in particular, is affected. You must go through a religious ceremony when you are married, regardless of preference. These ceremonies are carried out by orthodox rabbis - rabbis of other branches of Judaism cannot conduct marriage ceremonies. The orthodox rabbis do not recognise any marriage not conducted under their auspices, but the state does - E.g. any marriage outside of the Israeli state.