Will Israel comply to the ICJ ruling?

Callistemon21

Thank you GrannyGravy

That report doesn't worry you one jot, then Glorianny? You are justifying their actions by saying they are the fault of Israel and that they did some charity work?

I 'm not justifying any actions simply explaining the context.
But if charity work is necessary then surely you have to ask why it's needed.
Otherwise it means states are entitled to deprive people of the means to earn a living, exile them from their homeland and restrict their movements and everything is fine because charity will pick up the pieces.
Israel has long tried to find a reason to dismiss or denigrate the work done in Gaza and in fact refuses to recognise the Palestinian people whose ancestors they evicted as refugees.
But if you were working amongst an oppressed people and you see them deprived of their freedoms and kept in poverty would you just think giving them aid was enough?
If you work for a charity and your cousin joins Hamas is that your fault? Does it affect the work you do?
This is simply an attempt by Israel to draw attention away from the killing and war crimes.

Candelle I have considered what you have said in your final paragraph, and agree.

Another good and considered post Candelle.
I think your final paragraph is especially important and true. It’s made me think that it’s important in more ways than one that Israel continue until they have crushed the capability of Hamas, which is their stated aim, alongside freeing the hostages, if any are still alive and have not already been murdered or killed in the bombing.

Golly so many inaccuracies again.
The Rafah crossing is closed because it requres the permission of Israel to be opened. Lorries full of aid were kept waiting there because Israel would not agree to it opening. It is located on the Egypt–Palestine border. Under a 2007 agreement between Egypt and Israel, Egypt controls the crossing but imports through the Rafah crossing require Israeli approval
If you have evidence of Israeli aid post your link to it.
actionaid.org/news/2024/essential-aid-including-food-and-medical-supplies-prevented-entering-gaza-23-million
Children are having limbs amputated without anaesthetic because there isn't any.

This is a reasoned and comprehensive assessment of Hamas, its links with Iran and the failure to foster the more moderate factions which developed. ecfr.eu/article/iran-hamas-and-islamic-jihad-a-marriage-of-convenience/#:~:text=Today%2C%20Iran%20provides%20support%20to

The IDF cannot afford to stop before Hamas is defeated. If they do Hamas, a terrorist group dedicated to wiping out the state of Israel, and who on 7th October murdered, raped and tortured innocent Israelis, will take it as a sign of weakness and redouble their efforts.

Hamas has used the population of Gaza as stooges to further their aims. Despite the fact that the IDF makes more effort to avoid citizen bloodshed than any army on earth it serves the purposes of Hamas to make Israel look culpable and the terrorist group welcomes Palestinian misery for propaganda purposes. Hamas used aid money for the Gazans to arm itself and is funded by the pariah state of Iran.

Hamas is worth billions.

Glorianny, thank you for posting the ectr/eu link. I feel so involved in this crisis & so desperate for the Palestinians, it is good to have some reasoned analysis about Hamas & the background to the attacks. I have seen some of the most vile rhetoric about Palestinians online since this started that I've ever seen about any group in my lifetime & if I try to give anyone facts & statistics that don't fit with Israel's narrative & their take on things, they just say they're made up.

Lilyflower the IDF cannot afford to stop before Hamas is defeated. How can this happen? Hamas is not merely a group of people in Gaza, it’s an ideology, not solely confined in Gaza. Originated from the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Bob Dylan song springs to mind Blowin’ in the Wind. Yes and how many deaths will it take til he knows, that too many people have died?

Sadly I think that despite there being so much evidence historically that you cannot suppress forever a people, and they will continue to fight, no matter how much you oppress them or how many you kill, Israel is not going to learn the lesson.
Which means more deaths on both sides.
I've no desire to see the extremist element of Hamas gain power. But what is happening now will only act as a recruiting agent for them. People who have nothing to lose turn to extreme measures. Countries which have a strong, successful economies have people with moderate beliefs.

suppress ! Pogroms in Russia , Holocaust in Germany , anti semitism in every town in U.K.

Anniebach

suppress ! Pogroms in Russia , Holocaust in Germany , anti semitism in every town in U.K.

Those are offenses against Jews Anniebach.
I'm talking about Israel. It's important to recognise the difference.

Religion in Israel is manifested primarily in Judaism, the ethnic religion of the Jewish people. The State of Israel declares itself as a "Jewish and democratic state" and is the only country in the world with a Jewish-majority population (see Jewish state).

Anniebach

Religion in Israel is manifested primarily in Judaism, the ethnic religion of the Jewish people. The State of Israel declares itself as a "Jewish and democratic state" and is the only country in the world with a Jewish-majority population (see Jewish state).

The state of Israel can call itself anything it likes.
Many Jewish people are appalled by its actions and are protesting, their voices matter.
Very Orthodox Jews have never accepted the state.

I notice with huge alarm that the Israeli government is calling for settlers to settle in Gaza and for Palestinians to be “removed”.

I very much hope that the Israeli citizens will tolerate no such thing.

Anniebach

Religion in Israel is manifested primarily in Judaism, the ethnic religion of the Jewish people. The State of Israel declares itself as a "Jewish and democratic state" and is the only country in the world with a Jewish-majority population (see Jewish state).

You are muddling the Jewish religion and the state of Israel. They are not the same as the majority of those of Jewish faith will tell you.

Whitewavemark2

I notice with huge alarm that the Israeli government is calling for settlers to settle in Gaza and for Palestinians to be “removed”.

I very much hope that the Israeli citizens will tolerate no such thing.

I expected and feared this.

I notice with huge alarm that the Israeli government is calling for settlers to settle in Gaza and for Palestinians to be “removed

Do you have any links to this information?

I’m not doubting you but I would like to read more about it.

merlotgran

^I notice with huge alarm that the Israeli government is calling for settlers to settle in Gaza and for Palestinians to be “removed^

Do you have any links to this information?

I’m not doubting you but I would like to read more about it.

Article in the Guardian -today.

It will be on- line

This was on tv the other day. I watch and listen to s lot of different news media so not sure which channel but it’s what I have always thought is the grand plan.

Modern Israel came into existence on 14 May 1948 as a polity to serve as the homeland for the Jewish people. It was also defined in its declaration of independence as a "Jewish state", a term that also appeared in the United Nations Partition Plan for British Palestine in 1947.

Glorianny

Sadly I think that despite there being so much evidence historically that you cannot suppress forever a people, and they will continue to fight, no matter how much you oppress them or how many you kill, Israel is not going to learn the lesson.
Which means more deaths on both sides.
I've no desire to see the extremist element of Hamas gain power. But what is happening now will only act as a recruiting agent for them. People who have nothing to lose turn to extreme measures. Countries which have a strong, successful economies have people with moderate beliefs.

I completely agree with this.

Likewise bombing the Houthis is not achieving the stated aims, but raising their profile and support.