Do you think the UK will go extreme right like some of the other European countries?

shifting to the right 😂 Why do you think it’s known as The Torygraph. It’s back the conservative park in every election since god knows when.
I don’t think this YouTuber understands politics.

NO I don't..

do you think it hasn't?

Rory Stewart has been talking about a group (Truss, Reece-Mogg etc) who are creating a 'Popular Conservatism' movement. I think it was on The Rest is Politics podcast.

Pop Con...?

It might float off and let the "old" Tory party "be themselves" again.

I thought the Telegraph has always been the holy grail of the right wing press. I don't read it so ready to be enlightened.

Do I think an extreme right wing party will ever govern the UK? No I don't. Millennials and Gen Z, the new voters coming through, generally lean to the left and Britain has historically never embraced extremes of politics whether left or right. Continental Europe, on the other hand, historically has.

If you were to read the comments section of the Daily Mail you would reasonably expect Reform UK (for example) to win a landslide at the next election but when the votes are counted I have little doubt that their gains will be insignificant in the whole scheme of things.

Of course, I'm saying all of this assuming the near future doesn't become a dystopian nightmare (war, famine etc) in which case anything could happen.

The world is changing faster than ever before in every aspect. Technology and the creation of robotics to potentially replace human labour. The displacement and movement of people around the globe on a scale never seen before. Challenges to the status quo such as gender identity.

Even subtle changes such as work from home which has a social and economic impact more far reaching than it first appears. Global warming and the impending shortage of raw materials, including water. Add to this an unsustainably large population of humans on the planet.

People are scared and when they are scared they default to the past where notionally everything was fine. They want someone to tell them that immigrants or foreigners (the first whipping boys in any crisis) are the cause of all their woes and will be stopped.

They want to hear that shortages of food, oil or water are lies peddled to us by leftie scientists. They want someone to rationalise the perceived turmoil all around them rather than work to find solutions and mould society accordingly to forge a new future.

The right in any country always promises to do all of these things and that is why a certain demographic, generally the old, the less educated and the disaffected are drawn to them and cling to them. That is what is happening at the moment.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/truss-sunak-tory-election-manifesto-b2482875.html

Here's an article about it.

Great post flappergirl 👏🏻👏🏻

Must add that we have never had a very right wing government here in the UK and unless something really drastic happens then can’t see it happening any time soon.

No because we are going to elect a Labour government.

Yeah Grantanow 😂there is that as well.

Yes we are going to elect a labour government, I am not worried about the next few years, however Starmer has absolute mountains to climb with a party that is often 'tricky' to manage to say the least . It's what happens after this labour government that I am more worried about. I dont think the challenge will come from the tories, they tend to behave ridiculously for a few years after election defeat.

I did hear a tv commentator say he thought Labour would get in. They would mess things up. Then a right wing conservative government, then a further to the right, conservative governement.

But since nowadays, no one seems able to predict things even to the end of a year, I rather took it all with a pinch of salt.

10:04flappergirl

The right in any country always promises to do all of these things and that is why a certain demographic, generally the old, the less educated and the disaffected are drawn to them and cling to them. That is what is happening at the moment

Perhaps Labour shouldn't count their chickens then you are describing a lot of Red Wall seat voters.

I suppose the danger is that people don’t bother to vote because they think they are all useless and then those with strong feelings and extremists views do vote and skew things their way. That is why I now support compulsory voting which we have had for many years. So the Telegraph is known as a right wing paper. I can’t say I have ever read it or seen it - is it like the Daily Mail ( which I have seen )?

No, it’s a much better newspaper than the DM, more on the line of The Times.It’s a right wing paper but not sensationalist at all.

I hope not 😞 the only people I know (personally- so my experience) that are far right are uneducated white men. So my question would be, how many of them vote?

Fwiw I live with an educated white man. He isn’t racist (another personal experience)

I think we need to be mindful of how others are treated though even now. I read something in the guardian about Bristol council and how they are thinking of changing people with disabilities care packages do they will have to live in institutional care again which to me seems far right?

I wish my phone would stop changing so to do

John Burn Murdoch of the Financial Times has been looking at data on political beliefs. One startling (or is it understandable) finding is that in the UK young women are becoming more liberal in their beliefs while young men are becoming much more conservative (obviously you can translate that as liberal= left wing and conservative = right wing).

In his exemplar chart of S Korea, the US, Germany and the UK this trend is much the same (hugely marked in S Korea)

That poses, for me two questions,

1) Why are men much more conservative than women?

2) Which ideology will prevail over time? Will the UK move further right because men tend to be more politically active and to be the dominant voice in a male dominated hierarchy?

As to moving to the 'extreme right', it's difficult to judge as the Overton Window has gone so far to the right. After all, Thatcher was 'extreme right' in her day, breaking the post war consensus and shrinking the State, but I don't think she'd be regarded as extreme these days.

twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1750849189834022932

Oreo

Great post flappergirl 👏🏻👏🏻

Thanks Oreo.

Nicenanny3

10:04flappergirl

The right in any country always promises to do all of these things and that is why a certain demographic, generally the old, the less educated and the disaffected are drawn to them and cling to them. That is what is happening at the moment

Perhaps Labour shouldn't count their chickens then you are describing a lot of Red Wall seat voters.

I believe they all voted Tory last time and the Red Wall crumbled.

flappergirl

Nicenanny3

10:04flappergirl

The right in any country always promises to do all of these things and that is why a certain demographic, generally the old, the less educated and the disaffected are drawn to them and cling to them. That is what is happening at the moment

Perhaps Labour shouldn't count their chickens then you are describing a lot of Red Wall seat voters.

I believe they all voted Tory last time and the Red Wall crumbled.

I don't think they're going to make the same mistake again...

Grantanow

No because we are going to elect a Labour government.

😁

11:05flappergirl

Yes I know the Red Wall crumbled last time they voted Tory to get Brexit done and probably voted Leave as well. My point was that the Red Wall voters who Labour think will vote for them might just vote for Reform instead, hence Labour shouldn't count their chickens.

JaneJudge

I hope not 😞 the only people I know (personally- so my experience) that are far right are uneducated white men. So my question would be, how many of them vote?

Fwiw I live with an educated white man. He isn’t racist (another personal experience)

I think we need to be mindful of how others are treated though even now. I read something in the guardian about Bristol council and how they are thinking of changing people with disabilities care packages do they will have to live in institutional care again which to me seems far right?

Bristol Council is not a Conservative Council:

The current political representation on the council is: Conservative: 14. Green: 25. Labour: 23.

The Greens both there and in neighbouring Monmouthshire seem to have a great deal of sway and are forcing through some quite strange proposals.