Emergency Aid To Gaza Halted Because Israel Says So?

Oreo

But many more supporting hamas, thousands.
The suspension of funds should be extended if anything until the facts are established tho.
So much cash poured into Gaza and was used by hamas to build their hateful regime.

Either actively or passively most people seem to support Hamas activity in Palestine, I’m not one of those Hamas is directly prolonging the conflict for purely idealogical reasons

I dont think its whether they are shut down or not, it's that many of us just roll our eyes now when the UN is used as some sort of moral authority. But that is something that is happening to many organisations and it's not a good place to be.

That’s what’s so sad, what used to be trusted institutions are all too often not trusted any longer because we hear of misappropriation, immoral or illegal practices, greed, and misuse or mismanagement of funds. It’s probably one of the reasons that charities are reporting falling donations now, and many people don’t trust governments, companies, and international organisations such as the UN or the WHO any longer.

Katie59

Oreo

But many more supporting hamas, thousands.
The suspension of funds should be extended if anything until the facts are established tho.
So much cash poured into Gaza and was used by hamas to build their hateful regime.

Either actively or passively most people seem to support Hamas activity in Palestine, I’m not one of those Hamas is directly prolonging the conflict for purely idealogical reasons

No one is supporting Hamas. I am supporting the Palestinian people who were driven from their homes by rape and murder. Who have been held captive in a country which is one of the poorest and most densely populated areas in the world. Had food, fuel and water restricted, been unable to travel or leave the country. Been bombed by successive Israeli governments into (as the Israelis claimed) the Middle Ages and are now being slaughtered. Not just by guns and bombs. but by starvation, drought, lack of medical care and lack of proper shelter. Those are the people who are suffering.

Violence in the West Bank committed by Israelis has reached a tolerable level according to Biden.

Settlers have been sanctioned.

Reached an intolerable level!!

What is a tolerable level anyway when people are being killed? Who is Biden to set the rules?

If Biden says it is intolerable things must be bad.

I have just been listening to Chris Gunness (British) who was the chief spokesperson for UNRWA until 2020, and still in close contact with the agency and its personnel.

With regard to funding - I suspect that Netanyahu would prefer that the agency was got rid of, but assuming it remains in existence then Gunness thinks it is highly likely that the oil rich Islamic states will pick up the tab.

Now, UNWRA has a condition of neutrality placed upon it, and has neutrality audits carried out (by the USA - chief founder until last week) on a regular basis. In practice apart from the conduct of the staff, this also means ensuring that educational material is not teaching extreme ideology etc to the school children. It has been carrying out its work successfully satisfying all the conditions imposed upon it for over 70 years.

One wonders how the lessening of western influence helps the situation as far as Israel is concerned - I not clear that it is a very intelligent move to cease funding and therefore influence at such troubled times.

I should add that Chris Gunness thinks that it is no coincidence that the so called evidence of 13 dodgy Hamas supporters (not yet independently verified) came out the day after the ICJ verdict.

I think he has a point.

There is another issue troubling me and perhaps someone could answer the question.

The ICJ has ruled that Israel has a case to answer re - genocide in Palestine.

So - if that is the case, are those countries supplying Israel with weapons to carry out this genocide therefore complicit?

Whitewavemark2

There is another issue troubling me and perhaps someone could answer the question.

The ICJ has ruled that Israel has a case to answer re - genocide in Palestine.

So - if that is the case, are those countries supplying Israel with weapons to carry out this genocide therefore complicit?

The case isn't judged yet. The ICJ has just ruled there is a case to answer. If the Isreal is found guilty (and it may take years) then yes the countries supplying arms are complicit.

The International Law Commission, in its
Articles on Responsibility of States for Internationally Wrongful Acts, adopted in 2001,
concluded that: “A State which aids or assists another State in the commission of an
internationally wrongful act by the latter is internationally responsible for doing so if: (a)
That State does so with knowledge of the circumstances of the internationally wrongful
act; and (b) The act would be internationally wrongful if committed by that State.”

Glorianny

Whitewavemark2

There is another issue troubling me and perhaps someone could answer the question.

The ICJ has ruled that Israel has a case to answer re - genocide in Palestine.

So - if that is the case, are those countries supplying Israel with weapons to carry out this genocide therefore complicit?

The case isn't judged yet. The ICJ has just ruled there is a case to answer. If the Isreal is found guilty (and it may take years) then yes the countries supplying arms are complicit.

Yes I know that thank you -but your second post gives me the answer.

Sorry Whitewavemark2 wasn't quite sure what you wanted. That was from a paper on the responsibility www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k4/download/13.pdf
It also gives a degree of responsibility to countries which don't supply but enable the shipment of arms, possibly bought from an arms dealer, through its ports. There was a movement by unions to stop some of the equipment passing through UK ports to Israel.

The Book of Isaiah contains the following passage: "They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Yet the UK exports weapons to Israel

Yes Caleo and it’s likely to keep the weapons industry going for at least the next 100 years. Nothing seems to change.

In the period 2018-2022 Israel imported weapons totalling $2.7bn from two countries US $2.1bn Germany the remaining $546m.

92% of Israel’s weaponry is imported from USA

BAE supply head-up displays (HUDs) which provide information to pilots whilst flying.

Yes gg13 the U.K. is involved to a lesser extent, but it is involved.

Another question I would be grateful for an answer.

Does anyone know how many Hamas have been killed or taken prisoner please?

Whitewavemark2

Another question I would be grateful for an answer.

Does anyone know how many Hamas have been killed or taken prisoner please?

According to CNN approximately 10,000 Hamas operatives have been killed along with around the same number wounded and therefore not functioning as fighters.

Thank you, do you know who supplied these figures?

Are they all in Gaza for example?

In this BBC article the IDF admit they don't know how many Hamas fighters have been killed
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67764664

I am quite sure that the Israeli security know almost to the last man how many Hamas has been killed, so for me neither the BBC nor CNN are credible.

So the IDF have bombed hospitals, schools, mosques, universities, private residences, refugee camps because they contained Hamas.

And yet they do not give any figures, merely that they will stop the violence only when Hamas are completely destroyed.

So those children are being destroyed and maimed, starved and orphaned without anyone being assured that their deaths were not in vain, that indeed Hamas are being destroyed and the Israel is succeeding in its mission.

Israel will know when Hamas has been defeated rockets will stop being launched and armed resistance in Gaza will stop.
The proper aid can be distributed in Gaza

Katie59

Israel will know when Hamas has been defeated rockets will stop being launched and armed resistance in Gaza will stop.
The proper aid can be distributed in Gaza

If nothing is done until that happens, there will be hardly anyone left to give aid to.

And I think that you have begun some way to answering my question.

Despite all the carnage, the devastation, the deaths, the hunger, the damage and terror, Hamas has not been prevented from its determination to rid itself of Israel.

The only way is diplomacy - it has only ever been diplomacy. Unless of course you have no care for a whole population of people whose lives are being shattered beyond repair.

They call that genocide don’t they?