Should Starmer sue Sunak?

I really don’t know what was wrong with speaking of trans

Dinahmo

GSM And yes, a lot of people know nothing about the cab rank principle. Does that make them ‘thick and stupid’?

Yes, if they haven't taken on board that explanation, which you have given at least once before.

Perhaps they haven't read it. Typically rude.

Sunak was using it (evidently) as part of a list of Starmer’s flip flops. I dislike the way they’re referred to as a joke. Wasn’t it what KS said about women?
Maybe today wasn’t a good day to choose that particular one.

I do think KS, as head of the labour party should clarify what a woman is so that RS can’t use it. Does he really not know, or is it a case of “You can’t make me say it.”

Must every MP check if anything in her/his speech causes upset?

Perhaps, if it is a very recently bereaved family they may upset.
Particularly if their child has been murdered

Yes i understand that but anyone can get carried away surely

Well, I kind of expect better from the prime minister.
I would get carried away, but then I'm not in his position.

nothing surprises me about this dire gov't, people who think its ok to treat the public like idiots can't be relied on to say or do the right thing, the quicker they're out of govt the better, though they won't go til the last minute cos they won't want to give up power

Anniebach

Yes i understand that but anyone can get carried away surely

He wasn’t carried away. It was a scripted comment.

Surely he didn’t choose to cause the family distress deliberately
i am no supporter of this man but am concerned the poor girl is being used for political point scoring

Indeed she is. Starmer should be ashamed.

But not as ashamed as Sunak should be, according to Brianna’s father. His opinion is more important than ours on this.
news.sky.com/story/brianna-gheys-father-demands-apology-from-pm-after-trans-jibe-in-commons-13066231

Sunak has accepted a £1000 bet with Piers Morgan about planes going to Rwanda.

I agree GSM it was Starmer who used Brianna to try to shame RS and score a point. KS didn't refer to Brianna, KS did so he's the one who be ashamed.

KS's jibe was about Starmer's unwillingness to define what a woman is, it had nothing to do with Brianna.

This issue impacts women, children, it covers a wide range of legislation, and is being discussed in every country in the world.
I have no interest in what Sunak said but it's an issue that will continue to be discussed.

No it didn’t. Starmer has chosen to make it about her. I hope Sunak doesn’t apologise. He has nothing to apologise for.

Read what Brianna’s father said. Whatever the rest of us think about this, it is Sunak he is upset by, and surely that counts.

He probably wouldn’t have thought about it without Starmer’s ‘assistance’. Starmer has whipped this up to score political points.

We cant organise legislation or run debate in that way casdon. We just cant.

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m not surprised. The number of people who criticise barristers for defending people charged with very unpleasant offences shows that the rule is not widely known, which doesn’t surprise me - and unlike the poster above I don’t consider them ‘thick and stupid’.

Well, I knew the principle.
I've met barristers through work.
But not heard that particular term before.

So I must be thick and stupid

I went off Starmer when he refused to say what a woman is.
And Sunak was really stupid to use that as an insult at this particular time.

When in the future can this be spoken of ?

Yes and its not a subject for jokes, its important and impacts on the safeguarding of women and children. Starmer actually seems to have understood that lately, labour have been clear recently on the importance of single sex spaces for example.

Should Starmer sue Sunak?

Well, no, because he was in fact correct in what he said.
But it wasn't the time or place just at the moment.

Galaxy

We cant organise legislation or run debate in that way casdon. We just cant.

I agree, I wasn’t suggesting that. In a discussion on Gransnet though I don’t think it should be disregarded.

Anniebach

When in the future can this be spoken of ?

I suppose a reasoned discussion if the subject arises, not a jibe thrown out in a mocking manner.

Transgender issues are far more serious than that.