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Should Starmer sue Sunak?

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DaisyAnneReturns Wed 07-Feb-24 13:10:12

I noticed Sunak has repeated his nonsense in PMQs about Starmer and those he defended as a Barrister.

Sunak recently voiced the same nonsense in an interview with Piers Morgan. By doing so, he opened himself up to being sued. Thus also opened up the broadcaster.the

My question is, why does he keep repeating it? Does he see his supporters as so thick and stupid that they don't understand the cab rank rule for Barristers? Is he really that out of touch?

I feel he must be as he couldn't see how crass a £1,000 bet on the lives of asylum seekers would look, nor could he see how hurtful his transgender jibe would be to Brianna Ghey's mother, who was sitting in the gallery at PMQs.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 07-Feb-24 17:17:09

I wrote the OP GrannyGravy and it appears you are not able to quote "word for word". This is what I actually wrote.

My question is, why does he keep repeating it? Does he see his supporters as so thick and stupid that they don't understand the cab rank rule for Barristers? Is he really that out of touch?

I was clearly questioning Sunak's view of his supporters.

There are, however, a few horses out of the same stable on here today, who don't seem to feel the truth matters and will twist it anyway they can to follow their leader in personal attacks - just as badly made as his it seems.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 07-Feb-24 17:22:21

I was listening, I heard it. But she was not in the gallery at the time. I don’t find it despicable - it’s a constant criticism of Starmer. Not a joke, a statement of fact. It’s no good pussyfooting around Starmer’s problems with what a woman is because someone might be offended. Someone will always be offended. Frankly, I think Starmer used the mother today, for his own ends.

MaizieD Wed 07-Feb-24 17:25:15

GrannyGravy13

Mrs Ghey, was not in the public gallery during PMQ’s according to the BBC (Radio 2, 4pm news)

The leader of the opposition has posted on X pictures of him meeting her in the H of C’s this afternoon.

Even if she wasn't there (though Starmer said that she was, before Sunak's ill chosen words, the likelihood of her seeing, or hearing of, the exchange was extremely high. It was tactless, to say the very least. But then, I think he learns those 'answers' off by heart before the PMQs session and reels them off without considering their meaning.

I don't actually consider it to have been particularly anti trans, but it was inappropriate.

Galaxy Wed 07-Feb-24 17:28:49

I have seen hundreds of those discussions today alone, all over social media. I wouldnt joke because I think it's a serious complex subject.

25Avalon Wed 07-Feb-24 17:30:07

I thought MP’s could not be sued for slander or defamation for remarks made in parliament? Ergo Starmer cannot sue Sunak. It’s up to the Speaker to keep order.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 07-Feb-24 17:33:23

I believe the comment was made outside Parliament. In any event Starmer would know it would be most unwise to start defamation proceedings.

Galaxy Wed 07-Feb-24 17:36:21

Well he obviously isnt going to do that, I am not sure why anyone would think he would or should take that course of action.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 07-Feb-24 17:37:06

DaisyAnneReturns

I wrote the OP GrannyGravy and it appears you are not able to quote "word for word". This is what I actually wrote.

My question is, why does he keep repeating it? Does he see his supporters as so thick and stupid that they don't understand the cab rank rule for Barristers? Is he really that out of touch?

I was clearly questioning Sunak's view of his supporters.

There are, however, a few horses out of the same stable on here today, who don't seem to feel the truth matters and will twist it anyway they can to follow their leader in personal attacks - just as badly made as his it seems.

Splitting hairs DAR

The truth is you did post the words I reposted, the rest of the sentence was not relevant to my post regarding my prediction that thick and stupid will be seen on here time and time again in the run up to the GE.

Visgir1 Wed 07-Feb-24 17:38:31

25Avalon

I thought MP’s could not be sued for slander or defamation for remarks made in parliament? Ergo Starmer cannot sue Sunak. It’s up to the Speaker to keep order.

I believe they can say what they like really unless the Speaker slams it down, Parliamentary Privilege.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 07-Feb-24 17:45:49

25Avalon

I thought MP’s could not be sued for slander or defamation for remarks made in parliament? Ergo Starmer cannot sue Sunak. It’s up to the Speaker to keep order.

He repeated it in an interview with Piers Morgan, Avalon.

He was so out of control in that interview it makes you wonder how he will cope with the public and debates running up to an election.

62Granny Wed 07-Feb-24 17:47:35

It's the general population that is more uninformed rather than thick , we don't know that barristers work to that system because most of us have had nothing to do with them. Thankfully, but you know the old adage if you say something often enough it becomes a "fact" and people will always remember a " fact" whether it true or false unfortunately. It worked for Johnson it will probably work for Sunak as well.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 07-Feb-24 17:49:23

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GrannyGravy13 Wed 07-Feb-24 17:56:35

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnneReturns

I wrote the OP GrannyGravy and it appears you are not able to quote "word for word". This is what I actually wrote.

My question is, why does he keep repeating it? Does he see his supporters as so thick and stupid that they don't understand the cab rank rule for Barristers? Is he really that out of touch?

I was clearly questioning Sunak's view of his supporters.

There are, however, a few horses out of the same stable on here today, who don't seem to feel the truth matters and will twist it anyway they can to follow their leader in personal attacks - just as badly made as his it seems.

Splitting hairs DAR

The truth is you did post the words I reposted, the rest of the sentence was not relevant to my post regarding my prediction that thick and stupid will be seen on here time and time again in the run up to the GE.

Simply being accurate Slops. It isn't your place to decide which of my words in any sentence are "relevant" any more than it is minecto decide on yours.

If you have a problem with my posts, please report them DAR

GrannyGravy13 Wed 07-Feb-24 18:47:37

Slops ?

Elegran Wed 07-Feb-24 19:20:27

I have just seen a quote on a US Facebook page (Bored Panda if you want an exact GPS for it)

"Half of lawyering is controlling your temper among dipshits, and they should teach you that in law school"

Perhaps politicians aspiring to be Prime Ministers (and those in offic)e should learn the art too. So far, lawyer Keir Starmer seems pretty adept at it.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 07-Feb-24 19:23:20

GrannyGravy13

Slops ?

You are being punished, as I was, for abbreviating the poster’s name. Very unpleasant. I have reported it.

Cossy Wed 07-Feb-24 19:24:55

No he shouldn’t sue.

All MPs on all sides of the house should stop behaving like children, hurling insults at each other and get on with what they’re paid for, looking after the country!

Yes, I think Sunak is completely out of touch, as are his entire cabinet.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 07-Feb-24 19:26:59

MaizieD regularly uses the abbreviation DAR , even on this thread.

I can only assume we are not in the club

Whitewavemark2 Wed 07-Feb-24 19:36:21

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD regularly uses the abbreviation DAR , even on this thread.

I can only assume we are not in the club

No DAR objects to everyone using the shortened form.

Me? I have other things to worry about - like world peace, cancer care etc etc

So DAR and gg13 plus others will be my choice of address - no insult, or disrespect intended at all. People address me by WWM2 and it has never occurred to take it as an insult😀😀

GrannyGravy13 Wed 07-Feb-24 19:39:02

No problem Whitewavemark2 if I have time (as now) I use posters full title if in a hurry I abbreviate.

GG13 is ok by me 👍🏻

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 07-Feb-24 19:41:12

She has taken issue with me over the abbreviation. I treat everyone in the same way, abbreviate long names and expect people to abbreviate mine. I really don’t understand the problem.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 07-Feb-24 19:45:37

I use them because I’m too lazy to type it out in full - some of us have long convoluted usernames and it isn’t really sensible to expect everyone to use the full version. So ug commonly known as urms is another example. Bet she doesn’t mind🙂

GrannyGravy13 Wed 07-Feb-24 19:49:26

Whitewavemark2

I use them because I’m too lazy to type it out in full - some of us have long convoluted usernames and it isn’t really sensible to expect everyone to use the full version. So ug commonly known as urms is another example. Bet she doesn’t mind🙂

Not sure she likes ug but is happy with urms

Whitewavemark2 Wed 07-Feb-24 19:55:25

Oh! I always call her that - poor urms I didn’t know she disliked it😬. I took the two initial letters - I’ll drop that then.

MissAdventure Wed 07-Feb-24 20:13:55

Brianna's father has "demanded an apology", apparently, and Downing St have declined to give one