Islamaphobia is getting out of control

Not a bit unpleasant, Whitewave

Everyone on a protest march has a back story; are you then saying that not all might be kindly gentle people, that in fact some may be violent?

Are you saying I'm unkind?
Is that a personal attack?

Whitwave: Also saying I am untrustworthy and not dependable?

I think you should retract that personal attack.

You really have gone too far.

Anniebach

Would I trust anyone who made it known he gives 30% of his income every month to charity ? No

Thanks Anniebach
I am astonished at the personal attack by Whitewave.

I am saying that your dismissive post of a good person was unkind.

I am no longer interested in discussing this with you as we are so far apart on this there is no longer any point.

If however you feel that I have attacked you personally, I am quite happy to apologise as I have a self imposed discipline not to attack anyone at a personal level.

Yes, you were extremely rude.

The discussion had evolved from a particular march to protests in general.

Message deleted as it quotes a withdrawn post.

Maddyone
I help to support The Maggie Oliver Foundation ( the detective in the film)
All the info I get sent shows that it’s still going on.

Sorry but the evidence about the ire attached to this particular demonstration is obvious. I fully accept that some refuse to see it.
But try this
Stop the Oil
Extinction rebellion
May have people complaining about their actions. They may be referred to as yobs, idiots or activists. But no one attributes to them a collective responsibility for anything else. Where as the marches and demonstrations about the Gaza conflict are seen as some sort of Muslim conspiracy.

I know many people who have been on the marches. They are not Muslims. Many of them have been demonstrating and protesting about conditions in Gaza for a long time, some of them are from Stop the War mobilised when there was the Iraq war. Certainly they have been joined by Muslims. But the concept that this is in some way a Muslim protest is entirely wrong. It is in fact an insult to all the decent caring people who have amongst the values they were raised with, the belief that all people matter, and that the bombing of innocent children is not only unacceptable it is an affront to human decency, and a war crime. And there are amongst the marchers Jewish people with exactly those beliefs. None of these people intend harm to anyone. They oppose all oppression.

What a load of rubbish.

All protests disrupt the lives of people going about their ordinary business including patients trying to get to hospitals for procedures, operations, treatments, to reach dying relatives.

I don't care what religion they are, they disrupt.

Go and shout at Speaker's Corner.

‘Bombing of innocent children’ , are the parents not innocent?

How come over double civilian deaths in Gaza than Ukraine !

glorianny

Your post reflects exactly what people i know say who have attended a protest March.

Gaza has undoubtedly focused millions of peoples attention and protest is happening throughout the world, almost in every country in the world. They are by no means extremist as Braverman would like us to believe.

These right wing tropes - whether directed at Jews or Muslims are age old and we have witnessed these down the years.

^James O-Brien is certainly not a mysoginist! I think you are confusing him with someone else. Why on earth are you making some sort of group out of Frankie Boyle, Owen Jones and O'Brien? They are very different.

Try listening to his podcast, it is refreshing, calm and measured.^

I agree with you about James O’Brien HousePlantQueen. He is one of the only people in the media (radio) who speaks truth to power and holds them to account. I listen to his programme on LBC frequently - he is certainly not misogynist!

What a pity millions of people don’t feel more strongly about what’s happening in Ukraine too.

Thank you Petra I would be happy to donate to that organisation, I shall look up where to send donations . The number of girls damaged from that abuse is huge, in the thousands across the country I’ve seen reported. As you say, it’s still going on and occasionally I see more gang members have been prosecuted. Paltry sentences are given out though.

Perhaps there could be a march in protest about that. I don’t think so though, under privileged girls living in dysfunctional families and behaving badly, in our own communities, aren’t that important unfortunately.

I am pretty sure 99% of us here to like to see the end of all current wars, would support any peaceful protests and would believe our MPs, whatever their political allegiance and personal beliefs, should not make personal tweets or statements which the know will inflame hatred towards any specific groups of people.

We might have slightly different beliefs to each other, but I’ve not seen any one poster here supporting violence or terrorism. As I’m not really religious at all maybe it’s easier for me to remain slightly more neutral than others?

The number of girls damaged from that abuse is huge, in the thousands across the country I’ve seen reported. As you say, it’s still going on and occasionally I see more gang members have been prosecuted. Paltry sentences are given out though.

Are you implying that all the perpetrators of 'grooming' are Asian, *maddyone?

Because, if you are, you are wrong

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096

Callistemon21

I don't care what religion they are, they disrupt.

Go and shout at Speaker's Corner.

Anyone would think that you have just discovered that large scale protests can by noisy and disruptive. But they've been going on for decades... with varying degrees of sympathy from the general public.

You couldn't fit them all in Speakers' Corner...

I really do not give a damn who is marching or for what reason.

1,000’s of people marching through our capital city, blocking roads, along with Saturday nights blocking of Tower Bridge and setting off flares, is not something I want to be anywhere near. Whether it’s just DH and AC or any of the GC.

There has been a pro-Palestinian march in London every Saturday since Hamas’s deplorable actions on 7/10 and the subsequent retaliatory attacks by Israel.

How about a fraction of empathy/compassion for those living and/or working near these routes, shops and hospitality are no doubt losing money.

GrannyGravy13

I really do not give a damn who is marching or for what reason.

1,000’s of people marching through our capital city, blocking roads, along with Saturday nights blocking of Tower Bridge and setting off flares, is not something I want to be anywhere near. Whether it’s just DH and AC or any of the GC.

There has been a pro-Palestinian march in London every Saturday since Hamas’s deplorable actions on 7/10 and the subsequent retaliatory attacks by Israel.

How about a fraction of empathy/compassion for those living and/or working near these routes, shops and hospitality are no doubt losing money.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations?
I'll counter you with this. Thousands of people descending on London at the weekend is in fact boosting the economy. Since Covid London has lost a substantial amount of trade. If you wanted a cheap hotel room weekends were best because weekdays were taken up by working Londoners who've moved out of town. The marchers buy coffees and eat lunches. Some of them stay the night. It is in fact an economic driver. There are also huge numbers of coaches and trains involved and service stations en route.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

I really do not give a damn who is marching or for what reason.

1,000’s of people marching through our capital city, blocking roads, along with Saturday nights blocking of Tower Bridge and setting off flares, is not something I want to be anywhere near. Whether it’s just DH and AC or any of the GC.

There has been a pro-Palestinian march in London every Saturday since Hamas’s deplorable actions on 7/10 and the subsequent retaliatory attacks by Israel.

How about a fraction of empathy/compassion for those living and/or working near these routes, shops and hospitality are no doubt losing money.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations?
I'll counter you with this. Thousands of people descending on London at the weekend is in fact boosting the economy. Since Covid London has lost a substantial amount of trade. If you wanted a cheap hotel room weekends were best because weekdays were taken up by working Londoners who've moved out of town. The marchers buy coffees and eat lunches. Some of them stay the night. It is in fact an economic driver. There are also huge numbers of coaches and trains involved and service stations en route.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations

Can you please be more precise?

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

I really do not give a damn who is marching or for what reason.

1,000’s of people marching through our capital city, blocking roads, along with Saturday nights blocking of Tower Bridge and setting off flares, is not something I want to be anywhere near. Whether it’s just DH and AC or any of the GC.

There has been a pro-Palestinian march in London every Saturday since Hamas’s deplorable actions on 7/10 and the subsequent retaliatory attacks by Israel.

How about a fraction of empathy/compassion for those living and/or working near these routes, shops and hospitality are no doubt losing money.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations?
I'll counter you with this. Thousands of people descending on London at the weekend is in fact boosting the economy. Since Covid London has lost a substantial amount of trade. If you wanted a cheap hotel room weekends were best because weekdays were taken up by working Londoners who've moved out of town. The marchers buy coffees and eat lunches. Some of them stay the night. It is in fact an economic driver. There are also huge numbers of coaches and trains involved and service stations en route.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations

Can you please be more precise?

I. will if you can.

Glorianny. Have no idea what you are on about 🤷‍♀️

You don't live in London do you Glorianny? Perhaps you should campaign for the protestors to gather near your home area in their thousands to boost your local economy. Does it really have to be London every time, thousands and thousands of marching people will attract media coverage wherever it happens? Coaches and trains run in areas outside London, moving the protests to other areas might stimulate more public transport in those vicinities.

Free speech anyone?