Islamaphobia is getting out of control

Galaxy

Who decides legislation, who interprets the law, etc etc. There have been numerous dreadful applications of the law relating to hate speech.

Oh - I’m not sure how to reply to that.

Hate speech seems open to interpretation of late, people have been marched off by the police for innocuous remarks, which before we arrived at where we are, would have been deemed truthful. Conversely agiatators who have been seen displaying hate placards appear to get away with that.

One thing I would love the next government to do is to bring back the standards that we took for granted until recently.

The understanding that with leadership comes great responsibility, that parliament must be held to a higher standard than the man in the street - no ifs - no question.

I was appalled that the slogan was played on loop projected onto The Elizabeth Tower during the debacle on Wednesday night (From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free)

I was also appalled when Rachel Reeves was harassed by a Palestinian supporting group of women.

MP’s are worried for their safety along with the safety of their families.

This is more worrying than to me.

Quote Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Feb-24 08:33:51
One thing I would love the next government to do is to bring back the standards that we took for granted until recently.

The understanding that with leadership comes great responsibility, that parliament must be held to a higher standard than the man in the street - no ifs - no question.
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Until Corbyn became leader of Labour Party

GrannyGravy13

I was appalled that the slogan was played on loop projected onto The Elizabeth Tower during the debacle on Wednesday night (From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free)

I was also appalled when Rachel Reeves was harassed by a Palestinian supporting group of women.

MP’s are worried for their safety along with the safety of their families.

This is more worrying than to me.

Yes I quite see that - no one should be subjected to personal harassment.

All forms of prejudice are evil - but let’s not get into a debate about which is worse. All of it is bad.

It is just that my argument is that members of parliament should never ever use the type of rhetoric that Anderson and Braverman are using without consequences. Their party needs to condemn it - in fact a lot of Tory members have I think.

Wayhay! Let's play Racism Top Trumps!

Anniebach

Quote Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Feb-24 08:33:51
One thing I would love the next government to do is to bring back the standards that we took for granted until recently.

The understanding that with leadership comes great responsibility, that parliament must be held to a higher standard than the man in the street - no ifs - no question.
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Until Corbyn became leader of Labour Party

Bit random😄😄😄

Whitewavemark2

Both faith communities have suffered more than any other faith community.

Pointless putting this up, it tells us nothing. It’s not a percentage chart, it’s a numbers chart. There about two million Muslims in Britain, but only about two hundred and fifty thousand Jews, so the chart isn’t comparing like with like. The only way to compare properly is to use percentages.

You do realise that this is racist rhetoric in its worse form?

Swap the word Islamist with Jew - it is simply not to be tolerated

Whitewavemark2 you really do tie yourself up in knots on this board.

Muslim parents protest outside primary schools because they don’t want their children taught about LGBT lifestyles.

Swap LGBT for any other minority you want to use.

You do know that Muslims aren’t the most liberal of people, and are more likely to shut down LGBT teaching in schools than any Tory government.

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maddyone

M0nica

is it any worse than anti-semitism?

One of our main parties is anti-semitic, the other is Islamophobic and all parties seem to have it in for Christians.

Just what I think Monica.

Spot on.

Just checked and my figures are wrong. There are nearly four million Muslims in Britain but only two hundred and seventy thousand Jews. And yet racist incidents against the few Jews in this country have risen exponentially in the last few months.

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I’m off out with the dog who takes priority.

Anti-Muslim incidents in the UK have surged too since the attacks by Hamas.

Kandinsky

*You do realise that this is racist rhetoric in its worse form?*

Swap the word Islamist with Jew - it is simply not to be tolerated

Whitewavemark2 you really do tie yourself up in knots on this board.

Muslim parents protest outside primary schools because they don’t want their children taught about LGBT lifestyles.

Swap LGBT for any other minority you want to use.

You do know that Muslims aren’t the most liberal of people, and are more likely to shut down LGBT teaching in schools than any Tory government.

Not all Muslims!

Don't lump them all together.

but let’s not get into a debate about which is worse
So we are to agree with your statement Islamaphobia is getting out of control

GrannyGravy13

I was appalled that the slogan was played on loop projected onto The Elizabeth Tower during the debacle on Wednesday night (From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free)

I was also appalled when Rachel Reeves was harassed by a Palestinian supporting group of women.

MP’s are worried for their safety along with the safety of their families.

This is more worrying than to me.

I totally agree with you GrannyGravy.
Both incidents were absolutely shameful.
The police should have intervened with that disgusting slogan projected on to our Parliament.
How dare those disgusting people do that!
Equally disgusting was the harassment of Rachel Reeves by Muslim women. She was probably very intimidated and afraid. Again how dare they!

Galaxy

And who would you put in charge of deciding what stirs up hate. The government? No thank you.

The Equalities Minister? Kemi Badenoch, who doesn't believe inequalities exist.

Not all Muslims

We know that growstuff and we all know Muslims who would never behave like that. However too many do behave that way since 7/10.

petra

^but let’s not get into a debate about which is worse^
So we are to agree with your statement *Islamaphobia is getting out of control*

Hate and intolerance are growing - and being stirred up by people with an agenda who thrive on that kind of atmosphere.

maddyone

^Not all Muslims^

We know that growstuff and we all know Muslims who would never behave like that. However too many do behave that way since 7/10.

How many? By no means the majority.

Incidentally, if you really are aware of it, try being a little more accurate with your language. Sweeping statements encourage others to be sept along with what they see as a tide.

I don’t think I said the majority.
I said too many, and I’m right.
Witness the constant marches every week, the intimidation of our MPs, the attacks on Jews, the appalling situation outside of Parliament on Wednesday. There’s plenty of evidence.