Islamaphobia is getting out of control

A good education should enable us to use the tools to look critically at the world and the information we constantly receive.

So as we constantly sort this information we are able to build on our knowledge, but the only reliable way to know what we are reading and seeing is true is with evidence. Without substantiated evidence what we assimilate is only based on argument.

This argument may or may not be rational. Therein lies the rub.

It is a fact that Islam is expanding worldwide sometimes by violence, followers believe that theirs is the only true religion and they don’t tolerate criticism.

I can say whatever I want about Christianity nobody is going to say boo, any negative comment about Islam or Muslims is forbidden.

I havn’t ordered my prayer mat yet, but the time will come.

Tolerance is definitely the word Katie59. But it has to work for ALL.

It is certainly true that Islam is the fastest growing religion, but this growth is centred almost entirely in Africa and the eastern part of Asia where the population is growing the fastest.

Katie59

It is a fact that Islam is expanding worldwide sometimes by violence, followers believe that theirs is the only true religion and they don’t tolerate criticism.

I can say whatever I want about Christianity nobody is going to say boo, any negative comment about Islam or Muslims is forbidden.

I havn’t ordered my prayer mat yet, but the time will come.

. It’s simply untrue to say that Muslims don’t tolerate criticism. Do you know any people who follow the Muslim faith?
Who forbids criticism of Islam but allows criticism of Christianity
I live in a diverse town in the north west. I just don’t recognise your comments as being representative

As for your opinion throw away comment suggesting you’ ll be forced into ordering a prayer mat - worthy of Lee Anderson

growstuff

Urmstongran

Mask wearers can now be arrested by the Police at a demo.
Good. It’s a start.

And if I just want to protect myself from Covid in a crowd?

That neeeds to cover your nose and mouth, not your whole face, there in lies the crux of the matter, yes. Only cowards without the conviction of their views hide their faces.

Chocolatelovinggran

I carry and read a Bible and sing hymns and have never been arrested for these activities ( although my singing might incite violence amongst those with delicate ears) . Does it happen a lot where you live Freya?

Oh of course you do. Don't you read the newspapers, or do you only see what you want to.

growstuff

Freya5

Callistemon21

I don't care what religion they are, they disrupt.

Go and shout at Speaker's Corner.

Not if you are of the Christian faith you can't. Arrested for carrying a Bible, singing hymns. Always double standards. Hatun Tash comes to mind.

Only if you happen to be in an exclusion zone near an abortion clinic.

Conveniently not what I was talking about. Typical.

Oh the irony

This is exactly the response I was expecting condemning me for even broaching the subject.

The facts are that Islam has expanded in the UK, those identifying has doubled in the last 20yrs due to birth rate and migration, if it continues in 2 generations - 60 yrs, it will be the majority religion.
I’m happy to tolerate other beliefs, but the evidence from other nations is that Muslims do not tolerate other religions willingly and governments have to maintain large army’s to control the population

Galaxy

Why wouldnt they though? I imagine if you are unable to believe much of the information provided by the likes of the BBC, told you are stupid for the way you vote or the paper you read, all sorts of odd things might look appealing.

I think a lot of people can believe 'odd things' without being told any of those things you cite, Galaxy.

Katie59

This is exactly the response I was expecting condemning me for even broaching the subject.

The facts are that Islam has expanded in the UK, those identifying has doubled in the last 20yrs due to birth rate and migration, if it continues in 2 generations - 60 yrs, it will be the majority religion.
I’m happy to tolerate other beliefs, but the evidence from other nations is that Muslims do not tolerate other religions willingly and governments have to maintain large army’s to control the population

I agree. I find it a frightening prospect.

Germanshepherdsmum

Katie59

This is exactly the response I was expecting condemning me for even broaching the subject.

The facts are that Islam has expanded in the UK, those identifying has doubled in the last 20yrs due to birth rate and migration, if it continues in 2 generations - 60 yrs, it will be the majority religion.
I’m happy to tolerate other beliefs, but the evidence from other nations is that Muslims do not tolerate other religions willingly and governments have to maintain large army’s to control the population

I agree. I find it a frightening prospect.

QED Galaxy

Freya5

growstuff

Urmstongran

Mask wearers can now be arrested by the Police at a demo.
Good. It’s a start.

And if I just want to protect myself from Covid in a crowd?

That neeeds to cover your nose and mouth, not your whole face, there in lies the crux of the matter, yes. Only cowards without the conviction of their views hide their faces.

But the photo which was posted showed people with masks which only covered the mouth and nose. They are useless as a disguise.

Katie59

This is exactly the response I was expecting condemning me for even broaching the subject.

The facts are that Islam has expanded in the UK, those identifying has doubled in the last 20yrs due to birth rate and migration, if it continues in 2 generations - 60 yrs, it will be the majority religion.
I’m happy to tolerate other beliefs, but the evidence from other nations is that Muslims do not tolerate other religions willingly and governments have to maintain large army’s to control the population

Religion percentages in England (2021 census)

Christianity (46.3%)
No religion (36.7%)
Islam (6.7%)
Hinduism (1.8%)
Sikhism (0.9%)
Buddhism (0.5%)
Judaism (0.5%)
Other faiths (0.6%)
Not stated (6.0%)

Source. Wikipedia & 2021 census

And whilst Islam is the fastest growing religion, it's got a long way to catch up.
The reason Christianity is declining is because "Boomers" have left the church/abandoned their faith/died and left their children/grandchildren to decide for themselves. Most choose "no religion".

Try evidence based research, it helps.

Hatie59 Your argument is very familiar. In my youth it was used by people of the Irish catholic population.

We all put loyalty to the Pope ahead of loyalty to the Crown (despite Irish people being disproportionately present in our armed forces over hndreds of years) and the catholic church's opposition to contraception was to enable it to outbreed the opposition by having large families.

Well, look at things now, allegiance to the catholic church has fallen in line with all other christian religions and catholic families, on average, have no more children than anyone else.

Over 2 generations we will find that the muslim population of the UK will be veering to the norm, smaller families and an adherence to more liberal religious norms and, indeed, many muslims, like Jewish and Irish immigrants before them no longer practicing the religion that had previously been seen as indivisible from their ethnicity.

My apologies Katie59

growstuff

Freya5

growstuff

Urmstongran

Mask wearers can now be arrested by the Police at a demo.
Good. It’s a start.

And if I just want to protect myself from Covid in a crowd?

That neeeds to cover your nose and mouth, not your whole face, there in lies the crux of the matter, yes. Only cowards without the conviction of their views hide their faces.

But the photo which was posted showed people with masks which only covered the mouth and nose. They are useless as a disguise.

I wondered about this. I regularly see people on public transport wearing masks, apparently they couldn't join a march unless they were willing to put their health at risk

Better education would give people the tools to criticise religions.

There is apparently a growth in small Christian churches ccx.org.uk/content/church-is-growing-church-of-england/#:~:text=Research%20shows%20that%20smaller%20churches,

I agree Grantanow. Comparative Religion is well taught in some schools. Unfortunately, parents can elect to have their children excluded

Glorianny

There is apparently a growth in small Christian churches ccx.org.uk/content/church-is-growing-church-of-england/#:~:text=Research%20shows%20that%20smaller%20churches,

Like that of Cosplay Calvin?

No thanks.

You know he was kicked out of the CoE for being to radical, right?!

Glorianny
I wondered about this. I regularly see people on public transport wearing masks, apparently they couldn't join a march unless they were willing to put their health at risk

Who does one ask for permission to join a march ?

Glorianny

growstuff

Freya5

growstuff

Urmstongran

Mask wearers can now be arrested by the Police at a demo.
Good. It’s a start.

And if I just want to protect myself from Covid in a crowd?

That neeeds to cover your nose and mouth, not your whole face, there in lies the crux of the matter, yes. Only cowards without the conviction of their views hide their faces.

But the photo which was posted showed people with masks which only covered the mouth and nose. They are useless as a disguise.

I wondered about this. I regularly see people on public transport wearing masks, apparently they couldn't join a march unless they were willing to put their health at risk

Untrue, the new legislation is that if you are on a protest march and asked to remove your face covering by a police officer you could could arrest, imprisonment and a fine of up to £1,000.

No where does it say that you cannot wear a mask on a protest.

Glorianny

There is apparently a growth in small Christian churches ccx.org.uk/content/church-is-growing-church-of-england/#:~:text=Research%20shows%20that%20smaller%20churches,

Serious question, though.

I stand by my above post.

BUT

Surely, ANY branching off of ANY religion/faith can lead to insular and radical teachings? Where do "we" draw the line? Members of my own family have their own church. They have a great community, it's well lead and they have helped many, many people through healing, faith and community.

But when it comes to people like Calvin Robinson, who in my opinion plays a dangerous game with Christianity, should people like him be monitored for what they preach? He has a huge following on GB news and Twitter. I've read some of his stuff and it's terrifying. It's easy to see how anyone can be radicalised and encouraged to go down the wrong path.