Islamaphobia is getting out of control

Galaxy

Seawoozle there are people on GN who are lecturing about racism who have been deleted for antisemitism, its not possible for me to take their lectures seriously.

I haven't been here long enough to know about that, but if that's true then they have no right to a platform. Some of the comments here, if posted on Twitter, would be mass reported and the poster suspended, if not banned.

Despite my protestations that people have a right to free speech, with that comes responsibility. And if it means you get banned, then so be it.....

And you want the people who run Twitter to have the power to do that. Good luck with that.

Galaxy

And you want the people who run Twitter to have the power to do that. Good luck with that.

The power to do what? Get people banned? It happens. But folk just set up new accounts.

SeaWoozle

Galaxy

And you want the people who run Twitter to have the power to do that. Good luck with that.

The power to do what? Get people banned? It happens. But folk just set up new accounts.

Yep, setting up new accounts, happens often on GN, but thankfully they get found out. Usually by their posting style and opinions.

The power to control speech. People chunter on about the influence the Mail etc have, it is irrelevant compared to the impact social media can have. It's a very bad idea to place the control of speech in the hands of a small number of individuals.
I am not sure what the answer is, free speech is a complex thing, but its certainly not banning people I might disagree with. We would all end up talking to ourselves

Galaxy

The power to control speech. People chunter on about the influence the Mail etc have, it is irrelevant compared to the impact social media can have. It's a very bad idea to place the control of speech in the hands of a small number of individuals.
I am not sure what the answer is, free speech is a complex thing, but its certainly not banning people I might disagree with. We would all end up talking to ourselves

I'd agree. But when it becomes a matter of people inciting violence or persuading others to respond in a certain way.....where do you draw the line? It's a tricky one......

SeaWoozle

Galaxy

Seawoozle there are people on GN who are lecturing about racism who have been deleted for antisemitism, its not possible for me to take their lectures seriously.

I haven't been here long enough to know about that, but if that's true then they have no right to a platform. Some of the comments here, if posted on Twitter, would be mass reported and the poster suspended, if not banned.

Gosh, I didn’t know that either Galaxy, that’s serious. I have seen a few antisemitic remarks on threads, from the same few people, but I think the majority who have commented on this thread aren’t coming from that perspective, but rather as Monica said, trying to put what is happening with Islamic extremists into a wider historical and current context of extremism. I still think that is relevant myself, and not whataboutery.

I wasn't aware that any GN posters have been deleted for anti-semiticism.

Maybe you could start a thread about it because this thread is about Islamophobia. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

GrannyGravy13

maddyone

And much barely concealed antisemitism. On this and other threads.

Unfortunately true maddyone

On this thread?

M0nica

Some posters do seem to see bigotry under every fallen leaf. It is right and proper that we should all be able to criticise something without being seen as bigotted. That is what free speech is.

It does not follow that because a group can claim to being discrimiated against, that criticism of an individual in that group is not justified.

I absolutely agree.

Many people (including me) utterly condemn the actions of Hamas and other Muslim terrorist groups, as they condemn the actions of the Israeli state in Palestine. That condemnation isn't anti-semitic or Islamophobic. They don't hold all Jews or all Muslims responsible for the actions of small groups.

A historical understanding of the context of the current conflict isn't bigoted either. There are parallels with many examples of ethnic-based bigotry and hatred across the world.

growstuff

M0nica
Some posters do seem to see bigotry under every fallen leaf. It is right and proper that we should all be able to criticise something without being seen as bigotted. That is what free speech is.

It does not follow that because a group can claim to being discrimiated against, that criticism of an individual in that group is not justified.
I absolutely agree.

Many people (including me) utterly condemn the actions of Hamas and other Muslim terrorist groups, as they condemn the actions of the Israeli state in Palestine. That condemnation isn't anti-semitic or Islamophobic. They don't hold all Jews or all Muslims responsible for the actions of small groups.

A historical understanding of the context of the current conflict isn't bigoted either. There are parallels with many examples of ethnic-based bigotry and hatred across the world.

I completely agree

Sorry growstuff I follow talk guidelines that's the only direction I take on GN about how and where to post.

It is very important for us to be able to criticise aspects of all religions, I am actually opposed to circumcision of children for example and am perfectly comfortable to state that, I am also opposed to the discrimination that is sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings.

Galaxy
I am also opposed to the discrimination that is sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings

And the CofE, no less.

Do you really think the comparison you made is fair seawoozle?
Just asking, as I can't think of any equivalent cases.

I’m not convinced comparing oppression in the C or E with that in the discrimination sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings
I can see comparisons between some evangelical groups especially I the U S but the Church of England no

Galaxy

Sorry growstuff I follow talk guidelines that's the only direction I take on GN about how and where to post.

So do I, which is why I was surprised at some of the accusations being made.

SeaWoozle

Galaxy
I am also opposed to the discrimination that is sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings

And the CofE, no less.

Would you like to elaborate please, SeaWoozle?

I'm sure the many Bishops in the C of E are all agog.
As are all the gay and lesbians priests in the C of E.

Did you mean evangelical churches like those in the USA?

I'm sure the many Bishops in the C of E are all agog.
I'm sure the many women Bishops in the C of E are all agog.

Iam64

I’m not convinced comparing oppression in the C or E with that in the discrimination sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings
I can see comparisons between some evangelical groups especially I the U S but the Church of England no

That's why I queried the statement

The evangelical church in the uk are similarly bigoted, judging by the attitude to a chap who attended this church that I worked with.

Attitude by a chap.

I suspect that all of us can be described as bigots over our opinion on something.

The Anglican Church is not bigoted