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Islamaphobia is getting out of control

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Feb-24 07:13:37

We have Braverman and Anderson stirring up the most awful Islamaphobia.

I don’t think that we have ever had British MPs saying such racist and hateful rhetoric since Mosely. They are being backed by the worst sort of editorship. It is so redolent of the 20s and 30s.

Jewish and Christian leaders are calling for it to stop, as well as Tories who see this as a disaster for their party, as it will never ever end well.

Rory Stewart

This idea that “London is in the grip of Islamists” is deluded and it’s awful - an obsession that thrives among a bizarre and dangerous coalition. No conservative MP should ever be spouting this stuff.

Nicenanny3 Sat 02-Mar-24 18:20:09

Well Urmstongran I had to look that one up, I have come across quite a few posters on here who fit this profile but not you I don't think 🤔

Istophobe
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A person who attempts to silence, shame, and demonize anybody who disagrees with them on any subject by calling that person names that end in -ist or -ophobe, i.e. sexist, racist, ageist, xenophobe, homophobe, Islamophobe, etc.
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Ironically, istophobes claim to be the most tolerant and open minded people in their society. However, istophobes will not allow their opponents to disagree on even the smallest point of the istophobes agenda, and will immediately label their opponent as an extremist who practices racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc.
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Iam64 Sat 02-Mar-24 18:42:00

I’ve just read a report of Lee Anderson arriving at a Tory do - Liz truss in attendance along with others who couldn’t be described as one nation tories. Anderson got a standing ovation.
Scary times

Anniebach Sat 02-Mar-24 18:47:04

Not surprised after yesterday circus

Boz Sat 02-Mar-24 18:54:14

The Right Wing reaction is to be expected. If Labour gets in it will have a rough ride. No money; so not much will change.

Iam64 Sat 02-Mar-24 19:50:33

Boz, I hope what will change is that we have a government with a plan and basic ethics

Doodledog Sat 02-Mar-24 19:59:47

Iam64

Boz, I hope what will change is that we have a government with a plan and basic ethics

Me too, Iam. If something doesn't happen to change things soon, I fear for the future.

Iam64 Sat 02-Mar-24 20:12:30

It’s feeling like we are living in dangerous times. Polarised views, shouting louder as if that helps anything. I’m not unhappy that Sunak spoke out yesterday but the irony isn’t lost on me about the fact the Conservatives are mired in allegations of racism.

The war in Gaza/Israel is de-stabilising the Middle East and is impacting politics in Northern Europe. We need skilled diplomats. Not people who can’t/wont compromise

Aveline Tue 05-Mar-24 11:08:00

I was sent this. It was initially posted on Twitter. Am saying nothing...

Iam64 Tue 05-Mar-24 14:46:51

On the contrary - you’re saying a lot

Aveline Tue 05-Mar-24 15:50:44

It certainly made me think

Labradora Tue 05-Mar-24 18:21:28

"blurring the line between criticism of ideas and bigotry against people narrows debate and nurtures hatred."

These aren't my words(I wish I thought that clearly) but I think they help? / are relevant in this debate.

maddyone Tue 05-Mar-24 18:35:45

the Conservatives are mired in allegations of racism

Yes they are, but all the parties seem to be mired in allegations of racism, but in particular the two main parties, Conservatives and Labour. And now we have the delightful George Galloway as well, probably the biggest racist of them all.

Iam64 Tue 05-Mar-24 18:38:29

Starmer and his team have been focussed on ridding the party of the anti semitism Corbyn denied but allowed to fester
That’s why there was no Labour candidate in Rochdale

growstuff Tue 05-Mar-24 20:03:08

Aveline

I was sent this. It was initially posted on Twitter. Am saying nothing...

So why post it?

Aveline Wed 06-Mar-24 06:41:39

Because it made me think. As previously stated.

Curtaintwitcher Wed 06-Mar-24 06:48:59

Do you want Britain to become a Muslim country? No? Then just think carefully before you vote.

A little footnote. I live in a large town in the North West. Here, there is a very large number of Muslims and several mosques. Ironically, two of the main roads through their part of town are called Hebrew Road and Jacob Street!

M0nica Wed 06-Mar-24 07:19:03

Curtaintwitcher like someone pages back you are assuming continuing high birthrates, and lack of integration. Overall each generation of muslims born in this country has become more aligned to the current dominant culture, with more interfaith marriages.

As I have pointed out before I am a dsecendant of irish immigrants and the same scare stories were told about us several generations ago, that we would outbreed the natives, and make the UK a catholic country. We didn't.

The same economic constraints affect all families in this country and that affects peoples decisions about family size.

I appreciate that in some regions of the country the process will be slower than in others, and I think the North West may be one of them, and as you live their that will colour your views.

Iam64 Wed 06-Mar-24 08:14:39

I live in a former mill town in the north west. I do not share Curtaintwitcher’s cold, critical views. We already have one dual heritage family member. She was brought up as a Muslim, respects her extended family’s faith but no longer identifies as a believer.
Much like my friends who who raised as Catholics but didn’t continue that with their own children.
Our town has , so far, avoided race riots. Long maybthat continue

maddyone Wed 06-Mar-24 09:25:05

Phobia means an extreme or irrational fear.
Therefore Islamiphobia means an extreme or irrational fear of Muslims.
I don’t think the majority of people have an extreme or irrational fear of Muslims.
I do think feelings are running high because of the situation in Israel/Gaza.
That’s got little to do with people being frightened of Muslims.
Some people, like myself, are afraid of going into central London at the weekend because of the marches, but that’s not an extreme or irrational fear of Muslims, it’s a fear of getting caught up in an unpleasant situation.

Cossy Wed 06-Mar-24 09:34:25

Curtaintwitcher

Do you want Britain to become a Muslim country? No? Then just think carefully before you vote.

A little footnote. I live in a large town in the North West. Here, there is a very large number of Muslims and several mosques. Ironically, two of the main roads through their part of town are called Hebrew Road and Jacob Street!

Britain, or possibly you mean England, is not going to become a Muslim Country and your inference that voting Labour will make this happen is disgraceful.

There’s a massive gulf between wanting ALL of our Country’s residents and citizens to live peacefully together and “turning our country into a Muslim country”

Cossy Wed 06-Mar-24 09:35:36

Iam64

I live in a former mill town in the north west. I do not share Curtaintwitcher’s cold, critical views. We already have one dual heritage family member. She was brought up as a Muslim, respects her extended family’s faith but no longer identifies as a believer.
Much like my friends who who raised as Catholics but didn’t continue that with their own children.
Our town has , so far, avoided race riots. Long maybthat continue

🫶🫶 👏👏👏

Cossy Wed 06-Mar-24 09:37:47

M0nica

Curtaintwitcher like someone pages back you are assuming continuing high birthrates, and lack of integration. Overall each generation of muslims born in this country has become more aligned to the current dominant culture, with more interfaith marriages.

As I have pointed out before I am a dsecendant of irish immigrants and the same scare stories were told about us several generations ago, that we would outbreed the natives, and make the UK a catholic country. We didn't.

The same economic constraints affect all families in this country and that affects peoples decisions about family size.

I appreciate that in some regions of the country the process will be slower than in others, and I think the North West may be one of them, and as you live their that will colour your views.

I worked with quite a large number of Muslims, many were married to white British Christians, many only had one or two children!

Cossy Wed 06-Mar-24 09:39:08

Aveline

It certainly made me think

Did it? What did it make you think?

luluaugust Wed 06-Mar-24 09:42:28

I am sorry I haven’t read this enormously long thread but as I understand it the percentage of the population who are Muslim is 6.5%

foxie48 Wed 06-Mar-24 10:09:55

Thank goodness for some sensible posts, the idea that Britain will become anything other than a what it is now ie multi faith, diverse and a generally extremely tolerant society, is scaremongering of the worst sort.