Is there anyone who still thinks that Israel's actions in Gaza are justifiable?

I think it's important to remember it's not just a case of "two sides" but multiple sources many of which are not "extreme propaganda". Ie from moderates who do not want war who live across the whole region.
Extremists wherever they are from promote murder and mayhem.

There was an older woman on the news (BBC I think) last night who wants all Palestinians to be forcibly removed from Gaza and The West Bank and relocated to other parts of the world so that the Jewish people can have their homeland back, the area which God had promised to them.

When there are extremists with such entrenched views on both sides, what hope is there for a peaceful settlement?

Daniella Weiss said ""The world is wide," she says. "Africa is big. Canada is big. The world will absorb the people of Gaza. How we do it? We encourage it. Palestinians in Gaza, the good ones, will be enabled. I'm not saying forced, I say enabled because they want to go."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815

Just read the article you quoted. It appears to be a proposal for ethnic cleansing?

I did pick up this sentence, tho

“Opinion polls suggest that most Israelis oppose resettling Gaza, and it is not government policy, but since the Hamas attacks on 7 October it is being talked about out loud - by some of the loudest and most extreme voices in Israel's government.”

It seems very important to me that extremists in the government currently in power do not talk for a nation as a whole and people know this.

She represents the sort of right wing Zionists that Netanyahu has in his government and has to appease to keep himself in power. These are the people who are driving the incursion into Gaza, they will care very little for the hostages as they are polar opposites in their politics.

So the UN has finally passed a resolution for a ceasefire in Gaza after the USA having changed its position has abstained.

WWM2 I am pleased to see China and Russia has agreed and that the US abstained, no doubt a sensible diplomatic move. It won't get Netanyahu to back down and I'm afraid that he will still go into Rafah but it does send a strong message to him and his government. I just hope more aid gets into Gaza, there are many trucks with essential aid waiting to get into Gaza but the Israelis checking them are sending them back for any reason eg scissors for medical use, tents, not just removing them but sending the whole truck back even with food being needed so desperately. They are clearly looking for reasons to delay the aid getting through, totally inhumane.

How can they call for a ceasefire without at the same time calling for the hostages to be released? One without the other is simply giving Hamas the freedom to re-group, re-arm, and keep on holding innocent women, children and elderly, sick men in diabolical conditions....
I am all for this to be over NOW but without returning the hostages how can that be a reasonable demand?
Should Israel just abandon them to their fate?
And the discussion about Rafah doesn't make sense to me. Clearly the lead Hamas terrorists are hiding there, in their last stronghold, probably with the hostages.
So again: Israel should just let Hamas stay there and prepare for the next massacre (which they have promised to carry out)

The resolution which passed today was for an immediate ceasefire AND the unconditional release of the hostages. Interestingly, Netanyahu has cancelled his visit to Washington!
P60 how do you move 1.5 million people from Rafah to a safe place? How can the IDF kill terrorists whilst protecting innocent women and children if the terrorists are hiding amongst them? How do they do this whilst not killing the hostages?

foxie48 these are great questions! I wish I knew how, and I just hope someone has the answers.
Netanyahu is losing support here in Israel very fast and I think he is destroying our relationship with the US which is a huge worry

Philippa60

How can they call for a ceasefire without at the same time calling for the hostages to be released? One without the other is simply giving Hamas the freedom to re-group, re-arm, and keep on holding innocent women, children and elderly, sick men in diabolical conditions....
I am all for this to be over NOW but without returning the hostages how can that be a reasonable demand?
Should Israel just abandon them to their fate?
And the discussion about Rafah doesn't make sense to me. Clearly the lead Hamas terrorists are hiding there, in their last stronghold, probably with the hostages.
So again: Israel should just let Hamas stay there and prepare for the next massacre (which they have promised to carry out)

Perhaps because in the chaos that is war it is impossible to know who is alive and who has died and impossible to send in observers to see what is happening.
Why do you imagine that the hostages are not amongst the thousands of bodies which lie under the rubble or decomposing on streets in areas where they cannot safely be moved?
As for Rafah people are there because Israel told them to go there. So either they miscalculated badly or they deliberately drove civilians into an area that would become a battle ground. Genocide in practice.

Philippa is right. The hostages, or those who are left, must be released in order to move forward. Over 100 Hamas fighters were captured inside a hospital in Gaza recently, and some of them were doctors. That’s the problem with terrorism, terrorists don’t wear identifying uniforms. They hide amongst the innocent because they don’t care about the innocent. Thankfully more aid will be received into Gaza now that it can arrive by sea. The IDF check the lorries containing aid because they want to ensure that no arms get through. I don’t believe lorries are rejected because surgical scissors are onboard, that’s simply propaganda. But the key is, release the hostages.

Maddyone I think we have established that Hamas don't care about the Gazans but it has been widely reported that trucks are being sent back and why. The trucks are outside Gaza waiting to enter, so it is possible for independent people to see what is happening. However, do you believe everything that the IDF/ Israeli govt say is happening in Gaza? There is no independent reporting in Gaza and there needs to be but I've heard several British doctors interviewed who have worked in Gaza recently and it is clear that Israel is very capable of propaganda. How can Israel be so certain that all the men they have killed are terrorists if they have no uniforms. They killed hostages holding a white flag and speaking Hebrew!

maddyone - yes, 100% agree with you.
Glorianny - from your many messages I know you are not supportive of Israel so doubt anything I say will make a difference, but clearly there is NO GENOCIDE. What absolute nonsense. If Israel wanted to do that, the war could have been over soon after it began. It is because Israel is doing everything to avoid innocent civilians getting harmed that a) it is taking so long, and b) so many IDF soldiers have been killed.
If Israel does go into Rafah clearly they will have to find a temporary solution for the civilians there. That is a given
Why do you think Israel WANTS to harm civilians?
It's completely untrue as all the facts show, and of course that doesn't mean that innocent civilians don't get harmed, of course they do, it's a war FFS and remember who started it by crossing our border and massacring our people.

maddyone

Philippa is right. The hostages, or those who are left, must be released in order to move forward. Over 100 Hamas fighters were captured inside a hospital in Gaza recently, and some of them were doctors. That’s the problem with terrorism, terrorists don’t wear identifying uniforms. They hide amongst the innocent because they don’t care about the innocent. Thankfully more aid will be received into Gaza now that it can arrive by sea. The IDF check the lorries containing aid because they want to ensure that no arms get through. I don’t believe lorries are rejected because surgical scissors are onboard, that’s simply propaganda. But the key is, release the hostages.

Who is supposed to release the hostages?
How does anyone know if they are alive or dead.?
In a small area the destruction is huge and communications are almost non-existent. Besides which Israel really isn't interested in them. They are the people who walked out of negotiations not Hamas.
Here's the true story of the attack on a hospital where 5 doctors were made to strip and stand outside in the cold, until they were allowed back into the building to treat their patients. edition.cnn.com/2024/02/19/middleeast/gaza-nasser-hospital-doctors-strip-idf-intl/index.html

The IDF is responding to something so awful that I don’t think we could even begin to understand their grief and anger. To lose a child to sickness or accident is unbearable. I cannot imagine what it would be like to lose a child, whether this child is an infant or young adult by being mercilessly slaughtered and treated like an animal. I will not judge these people. This is for their God to do. The best we can do is pray for an end to this horrible war that involves so many innocents. On both sides.

Philippa69 how many people do you have to kill for it to qualify as genocide? Looks like what is going on in Gaza certainly counts as genocide.

Just want to point out that Hamas have now admitted that they made up the stories about the IDF abusing women in the hospital in Rafa.

Callistemon21

Daniella Weiss said ""The world is wide," she says. "Africa is big. Canada is big. The world will absorb the people of Gaza. How we do it? We encourage it. Palestinians in Gaza, the good ones, will be enabled. I'm not saying forced, I say enabled because they want to go."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815

I could hardly believe what this woman was saying. This is why I cannot take a side in this terrible conflict. Atrocities on both sides. I just want it to stop.

I could well believe what she was saying, she's not the first Israeli I've heard saying this. There is the UN resolution for an immediate ceasefire now thank goodness & though Israel have a poor track record of compliance with UN resolutions, the US withdrawing their veto might make a difference. Israel is defenceless in the long term without the US. Don't believe the world will stand by & let this go on indefinitely.

Parsley3

Callistemon21

Daniella Weiss said ""The world is wide," she says. "Africa is big. Canada is big. The world will absorb the people of Gaza. How we do it? We encourage it. Palestinians in Gaza, the good ones, will be enabled. I'm not saying forced, I say enabled because they want to go."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815

I could hardly believe what this woman was saying. This is why I cannot take a side in this terrible conflict. Atrocities on both sides. I just want it to stop.

Me neither, I was shocked.

She didn't actually say forced, se said enabled
Much the same though.

There are thousands of Palestinians in captivity in Irael,some for years.None have been tried for any offences ,this "war" is part of Israels plan to rid the whole area of Palestinain people and rebuild Israeli homes on it.As they have been doing for 70 years .Sadly some are so blinkered they cant see whats been happening ..even while Israel ignored UN resolutions about landgrabs time after time after time .
Palestinian children are every bit as precious as Israeli children..why are we watching them be murdered every hour of every day and doing nothing to stop it?

Posters supporting Gaza only ( you know who you are) seem incapable of thinking that doctors could be supportive of hamas and their aims.Why on earth? Have you forgotten that the fortunately inept would be terrorists that attacked an airport building in Scotland were doctors in training?
Hospitals in Gaza are rife with hamas fighters and hamas supporters amongst hospital staff.
Release the hostages, all of them, to achieve a ceasefire.

oreo if you believe what the Israeli propaganda is telling you, then your statement is true to you.

Me? Not so much.

Truth is the first victim etc.

Just like the Israeli who sitting in Israel does not seem to understand that the world sees what they are doing as genocide - the deliberate withdrawal of water, food, energy and a place of safety in which to live - such to the extent that people are dying, not from bombs (although there are plenty of those) but from starvation, dehydration and dreadful living conditions, all imposed onto them by Israel.

Whether those suffering from this act of genocide are innocent or not - what is happening is a war crime.

The UN human rights is to call for an arms embargo because…..

“Francesca Albanese, the UN special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, said in her report there were “reasonable grounds” to believe that Israel was carrying out three of the five acts defined as genocide: killing Palestinians, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, and “deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction” of the population in whole or in part

“The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel’s assault on Gaza and the destructive conditions of life it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a whole”