The new Rwanda Plan

Primrose53

Did anybody see the place they will be living in Rwanda? It was on TV last night. Absolutely beautiful, clean, light, spacious …. i would happily live there. Lots of people are choosing to go there on holiday now.

My friend is from Tanzania and knows Rwanda well. She says it is green, vibrant and a great place to live now. If you are prepared to work there then you will do well.

As long as you’re not gay. Braverman is now saying Rwanda won’t work and the only thing that will work is to leave the ECHR. Which is what she has wanted all along.

Maybe Labour don’t have a plan?

We soooooo need a GE.

Urmstongran

Maybe Labour don’t have a plan?

Don’t you ever read? Or perhaps only selectively?

The king has to give the royal assent yet - what a sticky situation for him, as he has been very clear of his thoughts on the subject, but if he baulks at signing there will be a constitutional crisis. I do not envy him.

I am frightened of Sunak because he would have me or people I love deported to Ruanda .

nanna8

I suppose they have to do something but Rwanda seems rather extreme. Why not somewhere a bit more hospitable? Why are so many risking their lives to reach a far off country? There must be a lot of support available because they wouldn’t bother otherwise. Past guilt ?

Why? Is a massive and complicated question. It has to do with our colonial past, language, misinformation, family ties and of course desperation.

before anybody jumps on me, there are also those who would wish to exploit and do harm.

Caleo

I am frightened of Sunak because he would have me or people I love deported to Ruanda .

Surely you are not an illegal immigrant, Caleo?

I'm not saying I agree with this, btw, the eye-watering amounts of money involved should be spent setting up centres here and processing asylum seekers rapidly.

Urmstongran

Maybe Labour don’t have a plan?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/14/what-are-labours-new-migration-plans

Still in development because the GE might still be a long way away and conditions change.

Luckygirl3

The king has to give the royal assent yet - what a sticky situation for him, as he has been very clear of his thoughts on the subject, but if he baulks at signing there will be a constitutional crisis. I do not envy him.

Oh dear, no.

Another worry for him.
What if he refused? We'd have a Constitutional crisis!

“My friend is from Tanzania and knows Rwanda well. She says it is green, vibrant and a great place to live now. If you are prepared to work there then you will do well.”

As long as you agree with the President and government policy it’s fine, disagreement is not tolerated.

Wyllow3

Urmstongran

Maybe Labour don’t have a plan?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/14/what-are-labours-new-migration-plans

Still in development because the GE might still be a long way away and conditions change.

Yvette Cooper made these comments:

Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said the Rwandan scheme is an 'extortionately expensive gimmick' and that if Labour wins the next election, they will introduce an alternative plan.

Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Ms Cooper said: 'This is not a serious plan to actually tackle the problem. It's costing around half a billion pounds for just 300 people to be sent to Rwanda, that's less than 1 per cent of asylum seekers. It's not addressing the 99 per cent, it's not addressing the overall problem.

That's why Labour would replace the Rwanda scheme with a new plan to boost our border security, to go after the criminal gangs and their networks right across Europe.

Not just on the French coast, so that we prevent boats from reaching the French coast in the first place.

We'd also have stronger powers, stronger intelligence agreements, and new fast-track systems in the UK, so that we have a new returns and enforcement unit.

Because returns of failed asylum cases have just plummeted over the last Conservative period. We need to actually turn that round and make sure that the system is properly enforced'.

Callistemon, I am native to Scotland and the UK. However if Sunak is a danger to other vulnerable innocents I and my loved ones can be next in line for persecution.

Caleo

Callistemon, I am native to Scotland and the UK. However if Sunak is a danger to other vulnerable innocents I and my loved ones can be next in line for persecution.

I think you're safe, Caleo
Of course, if you vote for independence the Scots might start expelling the English and Welsh.
Although nearly half the people I know in Wales are Scottish anyway.

Returning people with failed asylum applications have plummeted by 73% since the Tories took office - particularly since 2016.

A quite deliberate policy.

The vile Rwanda plan is not for failed asylum seekers, people will be sent there pending the outcome of their asylum applications but even if they are then found to be eligible for asylum they won't be allowed to come back, it is cruel in the extreme. Imagine treating people who have already suffered persecution,war or disaster like this, it's shameful and deeply unchristian in a so called Christian country.

Sunak intends Ruanda as a deterrent, rather like prison is intended to deter.

Prison not only fails to deter it usually increases crime because of the effect of brutality in prisons.
Ruanda will not deter other desperate people.

The only cure for unwanted immigration among desperate peoples is to improve education and empowerment of the masses, especially women and girls, in those countries the immigrants come from.

RUBBISH Callistemon Scotland NEEDS immigrants as does England but we are much more welcoming to people who come here The reason Scots move to other parts of the UK is because we have always been largely ignored by successive westminster governments.I'll take a guess that you might have sen the recent debacle in the commons when Starmer pushed the SNP vote aside to take precedence with HIS amendment!!

The sheer ignorance about Scotland on here is astonishing .

I'll also take a guess you didn't see the BBC apology yesterday about the so called "hate crime law" when they admitted no one had actually READ the damn thing so didn't realise its almost exactly the same as the law thats been in England and most of Europe since the early 2000's .Mind you an apology from the EBC has been long overdue for their disgusting discrimination about all pertaining to Independence .
YES that should read E B C ...its certainly NOT a Scottish service and never has been despite both the roots of TV and the BEEB being Scots

Callistemon, I have remained safe enough all my long life by the skin of my teeth sometimes, and that was due to others who cared about my welfare. This country and most individuals in this country do actually care about others.

I fear for this country's moral welfare under Right Wing government.

God this is desperate really. So sad. Do people actually believe Rwanda is a green and welcoming place? People are killing themselves in detention centres, rather than go there.

Well that comment from Yvette Cooper is inspiring. Maybe Labour WILL be able to tackle this yet. I do hope so. That loss of five souls in the Channel reported this morning was devastating to read wasn't it? A child was among the migrants and one person is critically ill. These boat crossings are so dangerous and criminal gangs don’t care they are making an absolute fortune ‘providing a service’.

Caleo

I am frightened of Sunak because he would have me or people I love deported to Ruanda .

He is a very dangerous man I agree. Look what he is doing to the sick & disabled, going to sanction us if we don't get back to work and stopping our GP's who know us best from being able to tell the DWP that we aren't able to. He WILL have blood on his hands.

But then the Tories always have done. I know this is in Scotland, but the same was happening here - and from the almost 1,000 comments, it still is! I know of 2 people who had DNR orders put on them, one was 61, both without any consent, he died of undiagnosed sepsis. I'm ill, disabled and 62 and have no hope (although performing CPR on a person who is very elderly isn't at all suitable as all the bones will break) but 60, and someone here says it's 55! Terrifying, but pensions and benefits are far too costly, and THAT is the crux of the matter ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13277723/Were-Covid-patients-left-die-against-wishes.html

The only cure for unwanted immigration among desperate peoples is to improve education and empowerment of the masses, especially women and girls, in those countries the immigrants come from

Utopia Caleo.
That’s not the remit of this little country either. We can’t sort the ills of the world. Change has to come from within.

Send them to underpopulated Scotland ?

I think the main reason they’re coming here is they’ve failed to be granted asylum in France who appear to be a lot more efficient than our Home Office.

Straight from the beaches of Kent to waiting aircraft at Manston. Their feet wouldn’t even dry out. Do you think you can manage that Mr Sunak ?