The new Rwanda Plan

Can someone explain to me why so many MP’s whose families sought refuge in this country years ago are now so determined to stop others doing the same?

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Katie59

“My friend is from Tanzania and knows Rwanda well. She says it is green, vibrant and a great place to live now. If you are prepared to work there then you will do well.”

As long as you agree with the President and government policy it’s fine, disagreement is not tolerated.

Stay in France then, problem solved.

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t get it. If someone is refused asylum, presumably they will usually have come here via France. If they can’t be sent back to their country of origin why not send them back to France?

I couldn't agree with you more. We pay France eye-watering amounts of money to stop the boats and it clearly isn't working. When these migrants attempting to enter our country through illegal channels arrive they should be put straight onto a boat and taken back to France which is a safe country. It wouldn't cost 7m a day to do that which is the present expenditure in accommodating them.

Nice nanny , did you really mean your comments ?~I hope not.

nanna8

Send them to underpopulated Scotland ?

"send them" Them? They are human beings.

westendgirl

Nice nanny , did you really mean your comments ?~I hope not.

Agreed ...

Have any of you ever thought that this is a deliberate plan? It IS causing division amongst us, look at some of the comments on here for a start, *'NICENanny'??

It isn't just happening here, it is happening all over Europe, and it is just another thing that weakens society, all these things are, drip, drip, drip ... the NHS; immigration; climate 'emergency'; reports of swine and bird flu on the way being spread by cattle and goats, Russia affecting holiday flights around the Baltic region, the UK running out of ammunition', conscription, dividing us over Palestine and Israel. It is creating both division and fear.

Then there is this - a merchant seaman reporting that the French Navy are 'bringing them in' ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13315509/French-warship-escorting-boat-migrants-English-ship-captains-damning-radio-messages-accuse-French-Navy-illegal-human-trafficking-Dover.html

westendgirl

Nice nanny , did you really mean your comments ?~I hope not.

Tragedy as five migrants die crossing Channel trying to reach Britain - hours after Rwanda law finally passes - as Rishi Sunak vows to push through with migrant flights within weeks (The Daily Mail today)
Including a 4 year old girl.

I'm sure Caleo has nothing to worry about 😊 and yes they should stay in France and not make the crossing.

The big difference is that Labour don't think Rwanda will work... and don't want it to work. The voters, however, are sceptical it will work (nothing else has) but would very much like it to work….

It’s nothing to do with dividing society, it’s a huge problem affecting the whole of Europe.

We can’t be expected to accommodate everyone who fancies living here.
How many are we talking about?
Millions certainly.

I can’t understand why the people smugglers can’t be arrested. What they are doing is illegal so I just don’t understand why they are being allowed to get away with it.
Obviously it’s a very lucrative business for them so they won’t give up without a fight but surely they could be defeated.

I hope very much that the Rwanda plan works, although I wish there was a simpler, cheaper method to deter these migrants.

I would like the Home Office to work. For people to be processed quickly and humanely and begin being economically productive.

I don’t think anybody thinks the Rwanda plan will work, including Sunak. It’s simply electioneering.

Nobody knows for sure if it will work as a deterrent but at least he’s trying to do something.

This is worth reading for anybody who thinks it might work.
www.itv.com/news/2024-04-22/rwanda-bill-to-become-law-what-is-the-policy-and-what-happens-next

JenniferEccles

It’s nothing to do with dividing society, it’s a huge problem affecting the whole of Europe.

We can’t be expected to accommodate everyone who fancies living here.
How many are we talking about?
Millions certainly.

I can’t understand why the people smugglers can’t be arrested. What they are doing is illegal so I just don’t understand why they are being allowed to get away with it.
Obviously it’s a very lucrative business for them so they won’t give up without a fight but surely they could be defeated.

I hope very much that the Rwanda plan works, although I wish there was a simpler, cheaper method to deter these migrants.

They do find and arrest some traffickers. But, then those on the lower rung of the ladder step up.
When you ask why don’t they arrest them have you any idea how huge this is.
They don’t exactly give their numbers out on their burner phones. Then you have the problem of the amount of people involved to track just one person in the chain.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/europol-dismantles-big-migrant-smuggling-network-europe-arrests-19-2024-02-22/#:~:text=THE%20HAGUE%2C%20Feb%2022%20(Reuters,German%2C%20French%20and%20Belgian%20police.

But I'm sure your friend isn't trapped in Tanzania, forced against her will with no access to family or friends also having to agree with a government or else makes it a dictatorship which is therefore not a safe country no matter how green and pretty it might be.

What’s wrong with s Scotland? The men, women, children and none gendered would be made welcome there. The Scottish Nationalists would love it, more voters and a blow towards independence.

Urmstongran wrote:

"Utopia Caleo.
That’s not the remit of this little country either. We can’t sort the ills of the world. Change has to come from within."

Civilisation itself depends on cooperation between individuals.

Tribalism, at certain times in man's past, was the only option but now we in Europe have a long and honorable record of being responsible for each others' welfare whoever they be.

We in Europe have a moral duty to help 'underdeveloped' countries to thrive .

MadeinYorkshire, I send my best wishes for your continuing safety. The NHS is still staffed by human beings not unfeeling robots like Rishi would have it.

The general election will see the Right Wing parties disempowered, and there will be no further demands from them for pounds of flesh.

I think the PM is desperate to show he can "deliver on the people's priorities." He must show HE can "Stop the Boats". Not so long ago another PM was equally desperate to "Get Brexit done". These acts of desperation never work.

Caleo

Urmstongran wrote:

"Utopia Caleo.
That’s not the remit of this little country either. We can’t sort the ills of the world. Change has to come from within."

Civilisation itself depends on cooperation between individuals.

Tribalism, at certain times in man's past, was the only option but now we in Europe have a long and honorable record of being responsible for each others' welfare whoever they be.

We in Europe have a moral duty to help 'underdeveloped' countries to thrive .

I fear your words are wasted.

paddyann54

RUBBISH Callistemon Scotland NEEDS immigrants as does England but we are much more welcoming to people who come here The reason Scots move to other parts of the UK is because we have always been largely ignored by successive westminster governments.I'll take a guess that you might have sen the recent debacle in the commons when Starmer pushed the SNP vote aside to take precedence with HIS amendment!!

The sheer ignorance about Scotland on here is astonishing .

I'll also take a guess you didn't see the BBC apology yesterday about the so called "hate crime law" when they admitted no one had actually READ the damn thing so didn't realise its almost exactly the same as the law thats been in England and most of Europe since the early 2000's .Mind you an apology from the EBC has been long overdue for their disgusting discrimination about all pertaining to Independence .
YES that should read E B C ...its certainly NOT a Scottish service and never has been despite both the roots of TV and the BEEB being Scots

Oh, don't be daft! And do stop having a go at me, paddyann.

Caleo said:

Callistemon, I am native to Scotland and the UK. However if Sunak is a danger to other vulnerable innocents I and my loved ones can be next in line for persecution.

I took that as a joke.

I doubt native Scots will be deported from Scotland. If it came to thst, even I, with my French ancestry, would be behind Richi in the deportation line.

She was, I presume, joking and so was I.

Except to say no, I am not ignorant about Scotland. Most of my friends are Scottish but find life preferable here in Wales.

Frankly, I cbb to read the rest of your post.

Some people keep going on about “the poor boat people” who are fleeing terrible conditions and are being pushed around.
They do have choices - go to Rwanda or stay where they are, in France.

zakouma66

I would like the Home Office to work. For people to be processed quickly and humanely and begin being economically productive.

Yes, this!

But, if the government keeps cutting back on civil servants, I don't think the process is going to speed up.

Urmstongran

The big difference is that Labour don't think Rwanda will work... and don't want it to work. The voters, however, are sceptical it will work (nothing else has) but would very much like it to work….

This.
It will take a while, but if the plan works then it will be worth it.
No more awful drownings and no more thousands of illegal migrants arriving here every week.