The new Rwanda Plan

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How might we help to make other lands better places to live in

We try with aid, charities, but aid doesn't go where it's needed.

Warring factions prevent aid getting through.

Callistemon, I think that empowering women and girls is the best route. There are local people who travel around teaching birth control methods that men will tolerate, (I.e. not condoms) and teach marketable skills to women and girls.

Caleo 👏👏👏 Have you watched the documentary / drama film ‘The Swimmers’. Also the Ken Loach film ‘The Old Oak’. Both inspirational!

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09:02zakouma66

Just who do you think you are perhaps when you have finished virtue signalling you should get down off your pulpit and face facts nearly 7,000 have landed on our shores (that we know about) this year and personally and I'm sure I'm not alone am sick of it, paying for their upkeep, medical, dentists, food etc millions of pounds a day. I hope this Rwanda scheme works. As for my comment 'who knew 🤔' perhaps you are not used to British/English wit.

Caleo

Zakoumah66 wrote:
"In the minds and hearts of many the people are infact not even people. They are migrants/ scroungers/ small boats/ them/ they/ young men who leave their families. On and on it goes."

Demonising a group of people is the first step in getting rid of them. It happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Badly needed is drama and reportage that shows that immigrants are human beings that have feelings like my own feelings. And bodies like my own body so that if you cut an immigrant they bleed just like me.

09:02zakouma66

Get the violins out🎻 another virtue signaller.

Nicenanny3

09:02zakouma66

Just who do you think you are perhaps when you have finished virtue signalling you should get down off your pulpit and face facts nearly 7,000 have landed on our shores (that we know about) this year and personally and I'm sure I'm not alone am sick of it, paying for their upkeep, medical, dentists, food etc millions of pounds a day. I hope this Rwanda scheme works. As for my comment 'who knew 🤔' perhaps you are not used to British/English wit.

What are you implying by that last sentence?

Nicenanny maybe think about a change of username?

humptydumpty

Nicenanny maybe think about a change of username?

Yes was thinking of Exceptionally Nice Nanny I think it has a very nice ring to it 😊

Lots of France bashing here- they do puncture boats quite often, though some of them aren’t the simple inflatables. Also France takes more refugees than the UK- they don’t ALL want to come here, contrary what some seem to think. But a lot of them have relatives here and can speak English. A lot of people forget that Brexit meant we can’t just “send them back”. A pan Europe solution would be the best thing but the UK government we have at the moment is too superior to discuss that.

Question is, will we in the UK run out of hotels or money first?

vegansrock

Lots of France bashing here- they do puncture boats quite often, though some of them aren’t the simple inflatables. Also France takes more refugees than the UK- they don’t ALL want to come here, contrary what some seem to think. But a lot of them have relatives here and can speak English. A lot of people forget that Brexit meant we can’t just “send them back”. A pan Europe solution would be the best thing but the UK government we have at the moment is too superior to discuss that.

I'm not demonising the French.

However, two hapless policemen against determined people and smugglers ready to fight them seems inadequate and not fair on those police officers.
It seems to be a token response to show they are trying to do something to stop people putting their lives (and those of small children) in danger.

The people smugglers must be greedy, heartless, nasty beings to prey on the vulnerable, especially those small children, to take their money and send them off to a possible watery grave.

Caleo

Callistemon, I think that empowering women and girls is the best route. There are local people who travel around teaching birth control methods that men will tolerate, (I.e. not condoms) and teach marketable skills to women and girls.

Not in Afghanistan.

Urmstongran

Question is, will we in the UK run out of hotels or money first?

You do realise Hotels are unofficial refugee centres don't you?

And that SERCO creams off billions in profit?

Still, lets not let any of that leftie nonsense get in the way.

I’m sure the government ( while it’s still in power) will divert more overseas aid budget to pay for hotels. Then again, with the money the’ve spent/are spending on the Rwanda scheme, they probably could have built lots of hotels

Hotel is a misnomer. The owners are happy enough to accept the government money.

MayBee70

I’m sure the government ( while it’s still in power) will divert more overseas aid budget to pay for hotels. Then again, with the money the’ve spent/are spending on the Rwanda scheme, they probably could have built lots of hotels

Hidden bonus - when the number of staff in the forces increases to improve our defence force, the bases will already be converted to modern facilities…..

MayBee70

Caleo

Zakoumah66 wrote:
"In the minds and hearts of many the people are infact not even people. They are migrants/ scroungers/ small boats/ them/ they/ young men who leave their families. On and on it goes."

Demonising a group of people is the first step in getting rid of them. It happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Badly needed is drama and reportage that shows that immigrants are human beings that have feelings like my own feelings. And bodies like my own body so that if you cut an immigrant they bleed just like me.

Years and Years ( what a brilliant series that was) highlighted the plight of people trying to get here in boats. From memory I think it also showed that you don’t just drown from falling into the water: you can drown by ingesting too much water whilst still on a boat. I think people choose to ignore just what many of these people are escaping from.

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growstuff

Caleo

Callistemon, I think that empowering women and girls is the best route. There are local people who travel around teaching birth control methods that men will tolerate, (I.e. not condoms) and teach marketable skills to women and girls.

Not in Afghanistan.

Only in countries that will allow it.
Yes, always a good idea to try and empower women and girls, but it has to be remembered that men are very much in charge in so many countries.

Actually the ROI is having it hard. They weaponised a hard border (Brexit, the GFA etc) with NI. Now Varadkar (as was) is reaping what he sowed. Oh the irony. Be careful what you wish for comes to mind ….

In fact, why not set up immigrant camps in Northern Ireland? Austere places of wooden huts, only 5 easy walking miles from the ‘open border’ and into the Republic, the same English language and with no threat of being sent to Rwanda.

Surely the Irish government wouldn’t go back on having checks on the actual border, not after all of that Brexit nonsense they insisted upon?

Off the beach at Dover, onto a bus to the ROI border and, point them south. Why waste money building detention centres and feeding them?

Job done in 24hrs for the cost of a bus and ferry fare and, the ROI have helpfully declared the UK as an unsafe country and cannot therefore, legally send them back.

It’s hard not to be pleased…

"feeding them" Honestly ? How do you sleep at night.

Nicenanny do you have no compassion for those refugees who have escaped wars?

A reminder.

If any asylum seekers are actually sent to Rwanda, if the full 300 are sent, each of those deported will have cost the UK £1.8million.

The 'threat' of being sent to Rwanda will never be a deterrent because the chance of being singled out to be sent off from the thousands already in the UK is minimal, and will become even more minimal as more asylum seekers arrive in small boats to swell the backlog...