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I remember that bath cleaner, it scratched the bath. Horrible stuff.

Vim and Ajax.

Is there a football team called Vim? It means vigor

There is huge support for British footballt teams worldwide that has nothing to do with national loyalties.

The biggest and most lucrative market is in Asia, where the proprtion of muslims in the population is relatively small.

I agree the Crusader cross will not go down in the Middle East, so the simplest thing is for Nike to bring out a limited edition kit for muslim countries and the rest of the world can have the main stream kit with the English flag.

So are you suggesting England should change its national flag because some countries may not like it M0nica?

Callistemon21

So are you suggesting England should change its national flag because some countries may not like it M0nica?

Evidently. The same way as we feel some countries should change their treatment of various groups because we may not like it.
Will that happen?🤣🤣🤣

I wouldn’t spend £120 on a shiny synthetic shirt. Don’t care about the flag - prefer the new colours.

£120?

For adults Callistemon. The children’s are a bit cheaper. Not that much though.

No, I am suggesting that a limited edition of the England kit should be brought out that does not offend a region where the red on white flag has very different associations. In the same way that if a company had, for historical reasons, a Star of David as a logo, they would downplay it when selling it in muslim countries.

I am not woke in any way, but there are times, places and events where discretion is the better part of valour.

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Do you think a logo supporting LGBTQ etc would go down better in Muslim countries, then, M0nica?

I'm not sure.

Seeing as football tournaments are played in every corner of the world, why should any country ever have to fear negative or adverse reactions just because their kit expresses their identity in the form of their flag?

Callistemon21

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Mollygo

Callistemon21

Why would people in "Muslim countries" want to buy an England kit? 🤔
They would support their own football teams surely?

If someone doesn't like the national flag of England why would they support the team or buy the flag?

I’m puzzled by the Muslim countries when combined with the idea that it’s to do with LGBT.
As far as I’m aware, Muslim countries see those 4 groups as unacceptable even inviting death penalty -so why mention them in relation to wanting to change football kit?

I know, Mollygo which makes Glorianny's posts even more risible.

Nike is jumping on what it thinks is the latest bandwagon and scored an own goal in the process.

I didn't mention LGBT I did mention the red cross seen by many as a symbol of western oppression.
Nike is looking at a world market
Why does a UK soccer kit sales site market Portuguese strips in £s? www.uksoccershop.com/football-shirts/international/europe/portugal
Clue- kids buy the strips of their football heroes no matter what their nationality.

What about Portuguese oppression?

What is the most widely spoken language in the Southern Hemisphere?
And why?

No doubt there are countries where the Portuguese flag isn't liked.
But the symbolism of the red cross, its links with the Crusades and its rejection by people in the Middle East is widely known.
Here's an explanation. A Muslim can work with the Red Cross organisation but must not wear its uniform
Read More on islamonline: fiqh.islamonline.net/en/working-with-the-red-cross-and-wearing-its-uniform/

Yes I hear you Glorianny. If something doesn’t suit others. It must be changed. So equally, they should accept the groups that you are always going on about.
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I think the shirt for kids is £110, the adult one £125. What a ripoff. Wouldn’t matter what colour the logo was, I wouldn’t buy one.

Callistemon21

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Do you think a logo supporting LGBTQ etc would go down better in Muslim countries, then, M0nica?

I'm not sure.

Callistemon You have lost me, all I said was not the English flag'. I did not suggest what the alternative should be.

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Mollygo

Yes I hear you Glorianny. If something doesn’t suit others. It must be changed. So equally, they should accept the groups that you are always going on about.
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I didn't say that. I gave the commercial reason Nike may be doing this. I have no real interest in what football kit anyone wears. It's a purely objective comment. (I realise you find that concept difficult)

Pantglas2

“Clue- kids buy the strips of their football heroes no matter what their nationality.”

They do Glorianny - but the sales of heroes’ (Messi/Ronaldo/Mbappe, whoever) shirts will be of their Club not normally their country!

With my own grandsons I’ve been asked to purchase all three of the above but not one Argentinian, Portugese or French shirt with their name on. It’s the footballer they admire not their nationality.

Oh, my DGS3 goes the whole hog! He’s a fan of the Brazilian Ronaldo, and not only have I spent hours sourcing the 1998 Inter Milan Ronaldo 9 kit for his birthday, I’m about to leap out of bed and ice the Ronaldo 9 Brazil shirt cake I prepared earlier for his party tomorrow. There’s a lot of yellow fondant involved.

I very nearly made a huge faux pas by ordering a Ronaldo 7 birthday card from Thortful. Wrong Ronaldo, wrong country, wrong number……

Glorianny.
Since you’re talking about things other than the football strip, (see your link) it seems that if something doesn’t suit others it must be changed to suit them, but not the other way round.
Re football strips, the shirts chosen have to have their favourite name on the back to have any value for the purchaser. Nike obviously have money in mind, and their playful is the latest strategy to promote sales together with collar up/collar down. Just a shame they had to mess with the England flag to do it.

I’ve just ordered the away kit for my ten year old grandson. I only care that it will put a smile on his little face. Ridiculous price. Ordered direct from Nike. Will be here Wednesday and then we’ll pack and send to New Zealand.

Mollygo

Glorianny.
Since you’re talking about things other than the football strip, (see your link) it seems that if something doesn’t suit others it must be changed to suit them, but not the other way round.
Re football strips, the shirts chosen have to have their favourite name on the back to have any value for the purchaser. Nike obviously have money in mind, and their playful is the latest strategy to promote sales together with collar up/collar down. Just a shame they had to mess with the England flag to do it.

I was talking about the red cross Mollygo the national flag of England which for many Muslims is regarded as unacceptable and gave an example of it being seen as unacceptable.
Now you may not like it but I fully accept that some people will find it unacceptable to wear a symbol for various reasons. In this case the red cross, but for some people some symbols are important they do not wish to see them used as decoration. I have no such beliefs but I recognise the rights of people to hold those beliefs and to abide by them. They do not of course have the right to inflict those beliefs on others.
No one is forcing anyone to buy this strip. It's just an alternative for anyone who wants something different, whatever their reasons.

There is no alternative strip for those who want the latest England strip though Glorianny. You have to have the "playful" changed flag, not the red Cross flag. Short of cutting the motif off an old garment and stitching it over the new motif, there is no option.

maddyone

I’ve just ordered the away kit for my ten year old grandson. I only care that it will put a smile on his little face. Ridiculous price. Ordered direct from Nike. Will be here Wednesday and then we’ll pack and send to New Zealand.

My advice is to send it tracked and signed for, you can follow its progress all the way. It doesn't cost much more, although postage is very expensive anyway.

In this case the red cross, but for some people some symbols are important they do not wish to see them used as decoration

It's not decoration
It's a national flag.

Joseann

There is no alternative strip for those who want the latest England strip though Glorianny. You have to have the "playful" changed flag, not the red Cross flag. Short of cutting the motif off an old garment and stitching it over the new motif, there is no option.

There is no red cross on the 2022 strip either. In fact the common representation for England is the Three lions badge.
So it's all a bit of a storm in a teacup. An unnecessary fuss about something which wasn't there in the first place. A fitting episode for the flag which is the symbol of a saint who never saw these shores anyway.