Is JK Rowling pushing the boundaries too far?

Incidentally for those trying to recognise transwomen by their Adam's apple, surgery is now available. Oh dear gets more and more confusing doesn't it? newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/surgery-removes-adams-apple-without-scar#:~:text=Although%20there%20are%20several%20gender,

Still as some of you seem happy to let a two year old decide let's go with that. All gender will now be designated by two year olds, It's about as logical as judging you can always be certain who is a transwoman.

fancythat

SueDonim

My 2yo grandson has no difficulty knowing men from women. He went through a phase of not liking or engaging with men, not even his daddy. He’d happily chatter away to the female staff in our local supermarket but the transwoman? Nope, they’ll get the cold shoulder from him. Out of the mouths of babes…

Quite.

No one can identify transwomen anyway. Some people may claim they can but really can't. It doesn't matter anyway. Glorianny.

With respect, I think you may need glasses, or better ones.

I am not sure if anyone has asked you the direct question of, "do you really and truly believe that a transwoman is a real woman"?

Since you have not answered the direct question, I am going to assume you dont actually believe it to be true.
Good.
I would have been concerned, if you did actually think it to be true.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny this thread is about men pretending to be women.

If you have a bee in your bonnet regarding black women in sport why not start a thread instead of using the topic as a diversionary tactic as you are unable to get anyone to agree with you.

GG13 I didn't introduce sport if you check back. But isn't it strange how when an unanswerable question is raised someone always chips in to accuse me of derailing or using diversionary tactics. I'm just trying to politely enter into a discussion. Most of which is totally illogical and based on inaccuracies. But I do try to introduce some aspect of reasonability.
I see the question of transmen in the ladies has completely been ignored once again

I see the question of transmen in the ladies has completely been ignored once again

I refer you to my post of 13:03:52 some 56 minutes before yours.

Which is why at 09.18.29 I posted regarding Adams Apple Shaving Glorianny .

This surgery does leave a tell tale scar.

Bonnybanko

Some of you gnetters are talking a load of twaddle

What an interesting, erudite post. Care to enlarge upon what and who is posting "twaddle"?

As for women who identify as men using men’s toilets Glorianny .Unless they have had an operation to manufacture a penis (which going by the photos I have seen look nothing like a penis) they are not going to be using the urinals.

Nor are they posing a physical threat to other men, especially if they have gone through pubity as a female.

If men find the idea of women using their space wrong or intrusive then it is down to them to campaign, after all they are usually exceptionally good at being heard over and above women.

A man's hands are different to a woman's usually but it really doesn't matter whether you can tell or not they are still men.

If men find the idea of women using their space wrong or intrusive then it is down to them to campaign, after all they are usually exceptionally good at being heard over and above women.

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Are there any women identifying as men who aee rugby players?

Are there any women identifying as men who are rugby players? there may be but I can guarantee one thing none would ever get selected to play on the men's team. Just as no transmen swimmers, athletes, high jumpers etc are ever to be found even qualifying for the men's events, let alone taking medals.

I meant playing for men's teams.

I do know some female rugby players!

If you saw the size of my rugby playing GS and his team mates no woman would be mad enough to play rugby with them.

Nothing new happening here then, same old justifications to have a go at ordinary people living their lives

That is the crux of the argument. Men are physically stronger than women!
That's why we need to be protected as some men use their superior strength to hurt women.

AGAA4

If you saw the size of my rugby playing GS and his team mates no woman would be mad enough to play rugby with them.

Strange, that!

Callistemon21

I meant playing for men's teams.

I do know some female rugby players!

I did realise but I can see my answer may not clearly have indicated that. My friend's granddaughter has represented the Welsh women's team!

VioletSky

Nothing new happening here then, same old justifications to have a go at ordinary people living their lives

Yes, strange, isn't it, that if men don't win in one way, they will try other ways to dominate ordinary women trying to live their lives.

Callistemon don't do that, be better than that

🤔 I don't play rugby or football but my DGD do.

VioletSky

Callistemon don't do that, be better than that

Unfortunately Callistemon21’s post is true.

If you do not believe it to be so I politely suggest you do some research on what is happening in college sports in USA, which is now happening here in UK

GrannyGravy13

VioletSky

Callistemon don't do that, be better than that

Unfortunately Callistemon21’s post is true.

If you do not believe it to be so I politely suggest you do some research on what is happening in college sports in USA, which is now happening here in UK

In Australia, too.

So you think I could be better in some way, do you, Violetsky 🤔

That's really rather insulting.

VioletSky

Nothing new happening here then, same old justifications to have a go at ordinary people living their lives

Gosh another extremely erudite post equalling Bonnybanko's

There is a very interesting article today online by Rachel Johnson called ‘When it comes to trans issues, JK Rowling is the heir to George Orwell’. She is a contributor to The Standard.

The 2024 version of Animal Farm where the Billy goats are saying they are nanny goats to have even more superiority.

Glorianny

Dickens

Rosie51

Glorianny As I said if you don't want to listen to black women that is up to you.
What all of them, they all speak with one voice? Except of course the black women who also don't want to race against males. Are they the wrong sort of black women? That's up to you I suppose. You do speak of black people as if they're unable to accept reality. It's very condescending of you, white female supremacy in action.

Ha Ha! Rosie51

I have weekly visits from nurses - from various ethnicities. Over the years we have chatted, as you do when nurses are coming into your home and establishing a relationship with their patients.

These women, from different ethnicities, are as varied politically, socially, culturally, as anyone else - and they also have their prejudices, like anyone else. We have had very interesting conversations.

So you are absolutely correct. I don't think any ethnic minority speaks with one voice.

The only thing we all agree on is that racism is an evil and ugly, dangerous trait.

Of course they are.
But if that group of women came in one after another and kept saying there was someone or some aspect of the system they disliked because it discriminated against them would you tell them not to be so silly and you knew better?
There are numerous articles by black women athletes and black women journalists that question the way black women are treated in sport. Which apparently you feel free to ignore. because they don't fit your ideas.Why?

There are numerous articles by black women athletes and black women journalists that question the way black women are treated in sport. Which apparently you feel free to ignore. because they don't fit your ideas.Why?

Not mentioning the way black women are treated in sport does not mean I am ignoring the issue of black-women-in-sport. It means I'm talking about another aspect of what we are discussing - as well you know.

Anyway - why concentrate solely on the black women who play the sport... where are the black women in management, coaching, and on the boards? How many black women are commentators?

It's all about racism as I said, so I'm not sure what you're suggesting that I'm ignoring? I don't talk about black-women-in-sport because (a) I'm not interested in sport - at all, and don't read any articles on it, and because (b) I don't see the relevance to protected women's spaces.

The nurses I talk to - although I mostly let them do the talking because that's how you get to know people... do you know what their main beef is? Believe it or not, it's men - their family members and their work colleagues, and Brexit, because it has had an impact on their workload.

So please cut these snide accusations.