Immigration and migrants

utterbliss

Lillyflower, You have summed up the whole point of this thread, very amusing.

I so agree with" LUXURY BELIEFS " + " VIRTUE SIGNALLING " + " USEFUL IDIOTS "
I wonder if people will recognise themselves in these descriptions.

I’m guessing here you’re expecting posters like myself to have an epiphany and say “yes, that’s me” and stop being what some on here would call being a “do gooder”, or worse, a “virtue signaller”

I’ve always tried hard to post extremely balanced views and to see both sides of the coin.

I speak from experience of both work, paid and voluntary, and people I know.

We live in a large seaside town in the South East, so not some tiny backwater unaffected by any current issues.

If people wish to “label” posters as the aforementioned, that’s their right, and I thank the lord always every day, that through an accident of birth, I live in a country which has been free from a large war in my lifetime and where we are free to freely express our views, beliefs and opinions.

Funny though that’s it’s ok to label compassionate empathetic people who genuinely care about their fellow humans, yet it’s not ok to label others as narrow minded bigots. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

No one should stop posting just because others don’t agree with their comments. This should be a “safe space” for us all to express our views, within set guidelines, without being completely insulting to others who might have totally opposite beliefs.

All of us, either consciously or subconsciously, are shaped by our own life experiences. Prejudice is a terrible thing.

Immigrant families are not the norm, which is single young men who hang around in groups and can be very intimidating. They are also responsible for a lot of shoplifting in our nearest city.

I live in a very similar naice' leafy area of Cheshire as curlywirly and we too have a large number of single men who have nothing to do but sit in the outdoor smoking area of the town centre cafe. They're there every day, for most of the day. They spend their time calling, whistling and shouting at young women and girls passing by and, although I don't know what languages they're speaking, their raucous laughter and hand gestures makes it fairly clear what they're saying. Police have been called out to them several times but nothing is really done to stop their intimidating behaviour. This resulted in confrontation recently when some local youths decided to tackle the problem themselves. The police arrived and the local youths were taken away and detained whilst the group of immigrant men were left to carry on where they'd left off. Personally, I can understand why single young men are fleeing their home countries to find safety and peace elsewhere. What I can't understand is why, when they've reached their destination of choice, they treat their host country with ignorance and contempt of their customs, laws and people. And we seem to just roll over and accept it.

LizzieDrip

^Thats not to say we, like many countries in Europe, don't have to act much more effectively on smuggling gangs, nor speed up the processing and return of purely economic migrants^

Absolutely Willow. Arguably this government has been deliberately slow on these issues in order to maintain the narrative. All the £millions wasted on the Rwanda plan could have been used to address them.

Do you have numbers to prove that EU are stopping more smugglers, do have have UK numbers of smugglers arrested
You do realise these criminals are very ade at at evading capture, their empire stretches worlwide.
March this year the NCA , arrested six men, Algerians and Moroccans on suspicion of people smuggling. Wonder if they themselves came over on boats and were welcomed by the gullible. Just because you don't hear about the work doesn't mean it's not happening.

Puddycat

The easy way to stop this is to allow them to do some kind of work whilst they’re waiting to be “processed” and to speed up the processing and to prevent them being placed in large groups together.

They are, in the main, probably no difference to the hordes of our own young men not working long school summer holidays.

We have lots of issues in our area with our own lovely home grown youths in large groups out and about, especially at this time of the year when exams finish.

Your whataboutery is exemplary cossy, nice deflection there.

“ I live in a very similar naice' leafy area of Cheshire as curlywirly and we too have a large number of single men who have nothing to do but sit in the outdoor smoking area of the town centre cafe. They're there every day, for most of the day. They spend their time calling, whistling and shouting at young women and girls passing by and, although I don't know what languages they're speaking, their raucous laughter and hand gestures makes it fairly clear what they're saying. Police have been called out to them several times but nothing is really done to stop their intimidating behaviour. This resulted in confrontation recently when some local youths decided to tackle the problem themselves. The police arrived and the local youths were taken away and detained whilst the group of immigrant men were left to carry on where they'd left off. Personally, I can understand why single young men are fleeing their home countries to find safety and peace elsewhere. What I can't understand is why, when they've reached their destination of choice, they treat their host country with ignorance and contempt of their customs, laws and people. And we seem to just roll over and accept it.”

Puddycat

Whilst I accept these groups of young men are “undesirable”, and “unwanted” they’re not actually breaking the law, smoking in an outdoor cafe, where this allowed and being “loud” “uncouth” and “lacking respect” isn’t appropriate or desirable behaviour but it’s also not against the law. On the other hand vigilantly teyoe groups are and as unfair as it seems the “natives” were probably the ones flaunting the law.

Our own large and once busy High Street is a no go area most of the time due to the number of begging addicts and homeless people. Most of them are Brits. Many have been helped in the past and due to shortages in addiction services cannot be helped by our large homeless charities as their rules (rightly) don’t allow drugs or alcohol on their premises.

We have many issues in this country, immigration is one of them.

PuddyCat

Your whataboutery is exemplary cossy, nice deflection there.

What a nasty comment Puddycat, no wonder some posters feel that they cannot post here anymore. Sadly for those like you I have a much thicker skin and won’t be bullied off here!

Very balanced response from you…not!

PuddyCat

^Immigrant families are not the norm, which is single young men who hang around in groups and can be very intimidating. They are also responsible for a lot of shoplifting in our nearest city.^

I live in a very similar naice' leafy area of Cheshire as curlywirly and we too have a large number of single men who have nothing to do but sit in the outdoor smoking area of the town centre cafe. They're there every day, for most of the day. They spend their time calling, whistling and shouting at young women and girls passing by and, although I don't know what languages they're speaking, their raucous laughter and hand gestures makes it fairly clear what they're saying. Police have been called out to them several times but nothing is really done to stop their intimidating behaviour. This resulted in confrontation recently when some local youths decided to tackle the problem themselves. The police arrived and the local youths were taken away and detained whilst the group of immigrant men were left to carry on where they'd left off. Personally, I can understand why single young men are fleeing their home countries to find safety and peace elsewhere. What I can't understand is why, when they've reached their destination of choice, they treat their host country with ignorance and contempt of their customs, laws and people. And we seem to just roll over and accept it.

They behave like this towards white women because of their culture - and that’s not going to change. It’s not acceptable here.

They behave like this towards white women because of their culture - and that’s not going to change. It’s not acceptable here.

Well if that's the case, cossy's suggestion that occupying them with work and processing their claims for asylum quicker isn't going to make any difference is it?

I watched a film recently which threw light on the situation of Asylum seekers and that of their host communities.
It's set in the outer hebrides but doesn't show the island as tourists do.

It's called Limbo made in 2020.
I found it clarified for me why I have conflicting feelings.

www.theguardian.com/film/2020/sep/11/limbo-review-ben-sharrock

GSM
Puddycat

“They behave like this towards white women because of their culture - and that’s not going to change. It’s not acceptable here.”

I do agree GSM, it’s cultural and not acceptable here.

Puddycat unsurprisingly I disagree, it would help, it would keep them off the streets, keep the large groups down and if and when processed and deemed not meeting the criteria for leave to remain, they can be deported. Though where to is a bit hard as no doubt it will be hard to determine exactly where they came from.

I’ve stated so many times before I don’t support hoarded of people, irrespective of gender, religion, nationality, colour etc. just rocking up and expecting to be allowed to stay.

I am for treating all humans as humans, not labelling all asylum seekers as “undesirable”, I support legal routes for asylum seekers, I also support controlled immigration.

Cossy DH and ventured into what I believe is your High St with one of our teenage GS’s whilst the other was at the local football ground for a home game.

I haven’t been there in over ten years, despite going to the beach at either end of the City. We were amazed at the amount of different languages we could hear along with the propensity of young men hanging around the majority of these groups were neither English speakers or polite.

Our GSs are not allowed to go to the High Street on their own nor the main Sea Front area due to the gangs of lads who arrive off of the trains from London as soon as the sun is out.
The local Police have now got portable knife arches which are in regular use.

Basically the main part of the town is only for the brave…

Yes, the people arriving on board are human. Yes, children are dying because of their parents decision to put them in dangerous situations. This has to stop somehow. They are illegal for a very very good reasons. This cannot be ignored. People have to be legally accepted into our society. I won't spell out why as I think we all know.

No we do not have to accepted them legally into our society.

That argument would mean the entire population of poor countries could come here.

We do not have the resources for the numbers that arrive everyday on our shores.

GrannyGravy13

Cossy DH and ventured into what I believe is your High St with one of our teenage GS’s whilst the other was at the local football ground for a home game.

I haven’t been there in over ten years, despite going to the beach at either end of the City. We were amazed at the amount of different languages we could hear along with the propensity of young men hanging around the majority of these groups were neither English speakers or polite.

Our GSs are not allowed to go to the High Street on their own nor the main Sea Front area due to the gangs of lads who arrive off of the trains from London as soon as the sun is out.
The local Police have now got portable knife arches which are in regular use.

Basically the main part of the town is only for the brave…

Since when has speaking a foreign language in the UK been a crime?

CarS

Yes, the people arriving on board are human. Yes, children are dying because of their parents decision to put them in dangerous situations. This has to stop somehow. They are illegal for a very very good reasons. This cannot be ignored. People have to be legally accepted into our society. I won't spell out why as I think we all know.

Please spell out!

utterbliss

No we do not have to accepted them legally into our society.

That argument would mean the entire population of poor countries could come here.

We do not have the resources for the numbers that arrive everyday on our shores.

Yes, we do.

The UK (England especially) has always been a nation of immigrants. Why on earth anybody should think that time should stand still now is beyond me.

No we don't

GrannyGravy13

Cossy DH and ventured into what I believe is your High St with one of our teenage GS’s whilst the other was at the local football ground for a home game.

I haven’t been there in over ten years, despite going to the beach at either end of the City. We were amazed at the amount of different languages we could hear along with the propensity of young men hanging around the majority of these groups were neither English speakers or polite.

Our GSs are not allowed to go to the High Street on their own nor the main Sea Front area due to the gangs of lads who arrive off of the trains from London as soon as the sun is out.
The local Police have now got portable knife arches which are in regular use.

Basically the main part of the town is only for the brave…

I agree with your last sentence, but I’ve not really noticed more non English than English. It’s sad and not a High Street any “City” should have, coupled with a lack of shops and the fact it’s so unkept and dirty. Our local council should be ashamed frankly.

growstuff of course speaking in a foreign language is not a crime in the U.K.

Groups of young men, speaking, shouting in their own language along with gesticulating at females can be and are intimidating to some.

Since when has speaking a foreign language in the UK been a crime?

I don't believe I've seen one poster saying any such thing but, if you have, please do point it out. One thing that I have spotted though is that many of your posts are disingenuous and deliberately designed to make anyone who voices their lived experiences and concerns about young, single, male asylum seekers, is made to look like frothing rabid racists. Is it beyond your ability to recognise and understand that not everyone has had the pleasure of enjoying your experiences with them? You appear to reside in a multicultural utopia of peace and mutual acceptance by all. Regrettably, this is not the experience of many. You should recognise that.

Puddycat

“Is it beyond your ability to recognise and understand that not everyone has had the pleasure of enjoying your experiences with them? You appear to reside in a multicultural utopia of peace and mutual acceptance by all. Regrettably, this is not the experience of many. You should recognise that.”

Is it beyond your ability to express your opinions and views without being patronising and rudely telling other posters what they should and shouldn’t recognise??

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