Immigration and migrants

The point I was really making is that stereotypes seem to be everywhere on GN, especially of Muslims and young people. There are nearly two billion Muslims in the world. "They" (and it's not uncommon not to even give them a name - they're just "they") live in dozens of different countries, speak different languages and have different cultures. However, according to some posters on GN, Muslims are all lumped together and are stereotyped.

Totally agree Growstuff. To even consider that all Muslims are ‘the same’ is just nonsense. Are all Christians ‘the same’; no, of course they’re not!

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I don’t understand why some people on here cannot admit that Muslims are from many different countries with different cultures, that not all boat migrants are Muslims, that most Muslim women work in normal jobs just like we did in the UK - and most of all I don’t understand why some people on here don’t see people who arrive by boat as individuals with a multitude of different reasons for arriving here.

Casdon. Do you have any statistics regarding the religions of ‘boat migrants’ and the number of Muslim women in other countries who work and have the freedoms and respect we have in the West? We can’t compare how Muslim men brought up here behave towards women with how those in other countries, where subjugation (and worse - FGM for instance) is the norm, behave.

Primrose53

I didn’t say otherwise Cossy.

Methinks it was your inference though

Oreo

“growstuff
PS. The point I was really making is that stereotypes seem to be everywhere on GN, especially of Muslims and young people. There are nearly two billion Muslims in the world. "They" (and it's not uncommon not to even give them a name - they're just "they") live in dozens of different countries, speak different languages and have different cultures. However, according to some posters on GN, Muslims are all lumped together and are stereotyped.
Think you are being way oversensitive as you mention you have Muslim family, a SIL I think.”

I don’t think she, or anyone else who agrees with her, is being way oversensitive or woke or not allowing anyone else to have an opinion.

We all are able to freely express our opinions, views, beliefs. However, sometimes, it appears, some on here demonise certain groups and refuse to accept they themselves just might come across as a tad bigoted.

We are primarily a Christian Country, as I keep hearing, sometimes the strong views here about certain cohorts doesn’t come across as very Christian.

Of the largest groups arriving in the UK:

Eritrea 50/50 Christian and Muslim
Vietnam largely Buddhist
Albania Islam/Christian/no religion

Just wanted to correct a point on FGM
As it occurs in 3 religions and predates Islam

www.forwarduk.org.uk/who-we-work-with/faith-community-leaders/fgm-and-religion/#:~:text=FGM%20is%20found%20in%20communities,it%20is%20their%20religious%20duty.

Cossy

Oreo

“growstuff
PS. The point I was really making is that stereotypes seem to be everywhere on GN, especially of Muslims and young people. There are nearly two billion Muslims in the world. "They" (and it's not uncommon not to even give them a name - they're just "they") live in dozens of different countries, speak different languages and have different cultures. However, according to some posters on GN, Muslims are all lumped together and are stereotyped.
Think you are being way oversensitive as you mention you have Muslim family, a SIL I think.”

I don’t think she, or anyone else who agrees with her, is being way oversensitive or woke or not allowing anyone else to have an opinion.

We all are able to freely express our opinions, views, beliefs. However, sometimes, it appears, some on here demonise certain groups and refuse to accept they themselves just might come across as a tad bigoted.

We are primarily a Christian Country, as I keep hearing, sometimes the strong views here about certain cohorts doesn’t come across as very Christian.

You can think what you like. No, my son in law is not a Muslim, although his parents are and I've had a number of conversations with all of them from an insider's perspective. Is suspect they know a tad more than most GN posters about Muslim culture. Ironically, they are Arabs and see Muslims from non-Arab countries as different and (dare I say it) inferior.

Notwithstanding my own family, stereotyping on GN is rife. It's not just Muslims, but young people, poorer people (you name it). It's as though people live in their own little worlds and don't have much experience of people outside the bubble and find it difficult to realise that these people are individuals not labels. As for Muslims, I've read so much cr*p from some posters about "them" that I've literally had to walk away from my screen.

Walking away from the screen is a good idea for those who may let emotions run them.
Also crap is subjective and works both ways.
The great thing about forums is to express our views about the world and what’s going on, to realise that we all have different views and not to sit on very high horses.

Casdon

I don’t understand why some people on here cannot admit that Muslims are from many different countries with different cultures, that not all boat migrants are Muslims, that most Muslim women work in normal jobs just like we did in the UK - and most of all I don’t understand why some people on here don’t see people who arrive by boat as individuals with a multitude of different reasons for arriving here.

Almost 70% Muslim women are unemployed. In fact unemployment for the Muslim community is about twice that of Christian Judaic community. In younger Muslims its even higher, 13% compared with 9% of the overall population, from the Guardian. So not sure were you get your stats from.

Casdon

Of the largest groups arriving in the UK:

Eritrea 50/50 Christian and Muslim
Vietnam largely Buddhist
Albania Islam/Christian/no religion

Large numbers come from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria - all Muslim countries.

Freya5
That’s true.
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/religionbyhousinghealthemploymentandeducationenglandandwales/census2021

Growstuff I quote you "Muslims from a non-Arab background are inferior "
Surely this is prejudice.
You have been very quick to shoot other GNs down for being prejudiced in your view.

Can we not have a reasonable calm discussion without being rude

The Stats also show (quote) "In 2021, people who identified as "Muslim" had the lowest percentage of people aged 16 to 64 years in employment (51.4% compared with 70.9% of the overall population); the this resulted from the high percentages of people who were students or looking after home or family in this group.
Care in different communities for the elderly or sick varies therefore the % who care at home has shown up on the stats.

utterbliss

Growstuff I quote you "Muslims from a non-Arab background are inferior "
Surely this is prejudice.
You have been very quick to shoot other GNs down for being prejudiced in your view.

Can we not have a reasonable calm discussion without being rude

Yes, of course it is. Did you think Muslims are all the same?

What's your point?

Wyllow3

The Stats also show (quote) "In 2021, people who identified as "Muslim" had the lowest percentage of people aged 16 to 64 years in employment (51.4% compared with 70.9% of the overall population); the this resulted from the high percentages of people who were students or looking after home or family in this group.
Care in different communities for the elderly or sick varies therefore the % who care at home has shown up on the stats.

That's already been pointed out Wyllow, but I guess it needs repeating - again and again - until the facts are acknowledged.

I would suggest that many of those ‘looking after home or family’ are not caring for the elderly or sick, but are women who are required to stay at home and only to go out if escorted.

Oreo

Walking away from the screen is a good idea for those who may let emotions run them.
Also crap is subjective and works both ways.
The great thing about forums is to express our views about the world and what’s going on, to realise that we all have different views and not to sit on very high horses.

There is no reason why anybody has to tolerate bigotry and I don't.

I'm confused. Growstuff actually said

" Ironically, they are Arabs and see Muslims from non-Arab countries as different and (dare I say it) inferior".

Not that she thought it so?

Wyllow3

I'm confused. Growstuff actually said

" Ironically, they are Arabs and see Muslims from non-Arab countries as different and (dare I say it) inferior".

Not that she thought it so?

I know (sigh). People love reading what they want to believe, not what is actually written.

Growsstuff, my point is you use the word INFERIOR.

If I said Welsh Christians were INFERIOR to British Christians

that is a prejudicial statement.

You could use the word different, that is not a prejudicial statement.
I hope you find this useful, and answers your question.

Willow, If you read Growsstuff post the word ironically doesn't appear. She also fails to say this is not what she believes.

I try not to second guess someone or put words in their mouth.

It is my professional training.

Ironically, they are Arabs and see Muslims from non-Arab countries as different and (dare I say it) inferior

Yes, the Gulf States treat Muslim workers from the Indian sub-continent appallingly.

GSM, Spot on.