Immigration and migrants

utterbliss

Willow, If you read Growsstuff post the word ironically doesn't appear. She also fails to say this is not what she believes.

I try not to second guess someone or put words in their mouth.

It is my professional training.

I may disagree with growstuff sometimes (often? 😁) but in this case I agree that what you quote is not what she actually said.

She said:
Ironically, they are Arabs and see Muslims from non-Arab countries as different and (dare I say it) inferior.

utterbliss

Growsstuff, my point is you use the word INFERIOR.

If I said Welsh Christians were INFERIOR to British Christians

that is a prejudicial statement.

You could use the word different, that is not a prejudicial statement.
I hope you find this useful, and answers your question.

But if you said that^ "People from ???? think that Welsh Christians are inferior to ???? Christians"^ when you are NOT from ???? it would not mean that YOU think that, but you have noticed that some other people (the ones from ???? think it.

If you read Growstuff's post again, you will see what she actually said, not what you think she said.

Just as ironic is that you were equally as wrong about what she said as the people she was talking about were about their opinion of non-Arab Muslims - and just as quick to leap to condemn!!

It demonstrates that it is always a good idea to RTFP before flying off the handle.

Growstuff

There is no reason why anybody has to tolerate bigotry and I don't.

One man’s bigotry is another man’s reasonable assessment of the facts.

This forum isn’t here to provide a sounding board for your views. I disagree with much of what you post but I tolerate it. You need to do likewise and accept others have differing viewpoints and you can’t casually dismiss them as bigotry.

For utterbliss - the post was on Tue 07-May-24 19:25:39, if you can't find it to check.

utterbliss

Growsstuff, my point is you use the word INFERIOR.

If I said Welsh Christians were INFERIOR to British Christians

that is a prejudicial statement.

You could use the word different, that is not a prejudicial statement.
I hope you find this useful, and answers your question.

Clearly you didn't learn the significance of punctuation when you were at school.

Growstuff's actual wording and punctuation has been repeated to you twice.

She is not saying that she thinks some muslims are inferior.

Using the word 'inferior in a post is not irrefutable evidence of prejudice on the part of the poster... 🙄

Wheniwasyourage

Good post Cossy. It’s also worth remembering that there is no such thing as an illegal person. We have made it very difficult if not impossible for people to use legal routes to get here, but that makes the routes, not the people, “illegal”.

Exemplary post.

My heart goes out to these poor women and infants / babies / children and males that are only seeking a better life than the horrorific governments & terrible conditions that they come from.

It is truly extremely saddening.

ALL governments worldwide need to modernise their ASYLUM Departments.

Whilst I agree all these people are human beings and if they are genuine asylum seekers like Ukrainian people then they should be allowed in.
But we have to accept that there are to many people in our small country, some who are dying needlessly through lack of being able to get an appointment with a doctor, or being on a waiting list for years for an operation.
We also have to look at our schools being overcrowded and homeless people
It’s all very well the government are saying it’s because we live longer but what about the overpopulation of our small country surely we have to be able to look after ourselves before we can help others

Maizied Please look again at Growstuff original post and not other Gns replies to my post.

In her original post the word IRONICAL is absent.

Please is there a Solicitor to fact check Growstuff original.

The word ironical is used by other Gns .

I would not second guess someone else's thoughts or put words in there mouth.

Growstuff oringal post does not state that she disagrees with the statement INFERIOR.

Many thanks Tickingstuff, Elegran.

utterbliss

Maizied Please look again at Growstuff original post and not other Gns replies to my post.

In her original post the word IRONICAL is absent.

Please is there a Solicitor to fact check Growstuff original.

The word ironical is used by other Gns .

I would not second guess someone else's thoughts or put words in there mouth.

Growstuff oringal post does not state that she disagrees with the statement INFERIOR.

Please is there a Solicitor to fact check Growstuff original.

No need for legal advice.

If you can find and quote the original post in its entirety with time and date in case I missed it, then I'd be grateful.

OOPS. I am the first to admit when I misread a post. I got that wrong.

Well Callistmon, that is telling me, I suppose no jam for me at teatime,

utterbliss

Well Callistmon, that is telling me, I suppose no jam for me at teatime,

Go and sit on the norty step, no talking.

Callistemon21

utterbliss

Willow, If you read Growsstuff post the word ironically doesn't appear. She also fails to say this is not what she believes.

I try not to second guess someone or put words in their mouth.

It is my professional training.

I may disagree with growstuff sometimes (often? 😁) but in this case I agree that what you quote is not what she actually said.

She said:
^Ironically, they are Arabs and see Muslims from non-Arab countries as different and (dare I say it) inferior.^

I agree with what Callistemon21 wrote 😁

growstuff did preface it with the word ironically when writing of her son-in-laws parents when noticing their prejudice towards non Arab muslims.
I think ‘utterbliss’ that the posts which are ‘nested quotes’ to use another poster’s fine phrase have confused you on this issue.
Maybe a quick apology wouldn’t hurt?

Lesley60 I completely agree with you.

X posts 😄

I shall go and remove my bossy boots 🙃

Lesley60, Thank for your voice of reason.

I can not read any more today as my 91yr neighbour s carer has failed to turn up for the second time.

I am going to help her, again as she is mortified and wet herself

She is a very ladylike woman, I feel so much compassion for her situation..

Growstuff,
Mea culpa ,Mea culpa

Thank you Callistemon and Maizie.

I was trying not to use the "quote" function because somebody was complaining that threads get too long.

PS. to utterbliss - the word "ironically" wasn't missing from my original post.

I get the feeling you just can't win sometimes. People prefer a littles spat and opportunity to snipe at others rather than discussing anything. If anybody seriously wishes to engage in discussing Muslim culture as it really is, I'd be interested.

(Sigh - back to chores)

No, I don't need to accept blatant bigotry. The Germans in the 1930s did just that and look at what happened.

Germanshepherdsmum

*Casdon*. Do you have any statistics regarding the religions of ‘boat migrants’ and the number of Muslim women in other countries who work and have the freedoms and respect we have in the West? We can’t compare how Muslim men brought up here behave towards women with how those in other countries, where subjugation (and worse - FGM for instance) is the norm, behave.

No, women in some Muslim countries are treated appallingly. Many of the men know that and empathise, which is precisely why they'd prefer to live in the West. Some of them are prepared to speak out about autocracy and then get persecuted. (Just cast your mind back a few months to what happened in Iran.) Some of them are gay, which isn't tolerated in most Muslim countries. People who empathise with Muslim immigrants don't have to want to live in the countries they come from. By the way, FGM isn't exclusively Muslim.

Lesley60

Whilst I agree all these people are human beings and if they are genuine asylum seekers like Ukrainian people then they should be allowed in.
But we have to accept that there are to many people in our small country, some who are dying needlessly through lack of being able to get an appointment with a doctor, or being on a waiting list for years for an operation.
We also have to look at our schools being overcrowded and homeless people
It’s all very well the government are saying it’s because we live longer but what about the overpopulation of our small country surely we have to be able to look after ourselves before we can help others

You are absolutely right in your assertion that many people are suffering in our country.

BUT we do not have too many people in our country. We have too many people living in densely populated areas, but we also have plenty of land, some of it is brownbelt land, lots of empty run down houses, loads of empty and unused office blocks and warehouses countrywide.

We have an increasingly aging population and I understand we have had a decreasing birth rate across the last few years.

Our govt needs to carefully build, including more social housing, with proper infra structures including shops, schools, hospitals and GP surgeries, which they then to ensure we have enough trained and qualified staff to service.

They then need a robust, fair and working policy and procedures for all migration.

When they’ve sorted that perhaps they can then ensure all our services work properly, build some new reservoirs, ensure the pipes are properly maintained.

There’s so much our govt should have done in the last 14 years. Perhaps we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now, and people would consistently persist in blaming migrants for all the things wrong in this country.

Also, what’s with the assumption that those coming in and seeking asylum are “unskilled”, and will be of no use to us?

Cossy regarding your final sentence, they cannot prove what skills they have because they have destroyed all paperwork. People like that are of no use and will spend their lives on benefits.

I agree. And many are too young to have acquired useful skills.