The 7th rebrand in 18 months - is this one any better?

Voters aren’t impressed by a change of logo, but I genuinely believe there are aspects of what the government is doing which, given sufficient publicity, will appeal to voters. For instance it is clear that Rwanda is starting to become a reality in the minds of some asylum seekers. It will take time for the message to get through to those still in France or Belgium but those already here have got the message - whilst Labour offer no deterrent whatsoever. I voted Labour in the Blair days but see no reason whatsoever to do so now.

You may be right about the Rwanda scheme bearing some electoral fruit if there is a significant change - it’s not new though, and so far the promises have come to nothing because the migrant numbers far exceed the deportation numbers, and a high proportion of the electorate don’t agree with Rwanda as a solution.
On defence, I can’t see much difference between the approaches by the two main parties, and it tends not to be contentious when parliamentary votes are held, so that’s unlikely to be the showstopper he is hoping for.

Sunak and Rwanda - Hmm - so Johnson left Sunak with the hideous problem of NI.

Sunak thought he had cracked it with his Windsor agreement which has now come back and bitten his bum because of Rwanda.

Sunak had one possible legacy he might have left for history and now even that is falling apart.

Whitewavemark2

Sunak and Rwanda - Hmm - so Johnson left Sunak with the hideous problem of NI.

Sunak thought he had cracked it with his Windsor agreement which has now come back and bitten his bum because of Rwanda.

Sunak had one possible legacy he might have left for history and now even that is falling apart.

I wouldnt think Ireland complaining would cause Sunak to loose much sleep

Katie590

Whitewavemark2

Sunak and Rwanda - Hmm - so Johnson left Sunak with the hideous problem of NI.

Sunak thought he had cracked it with his Windsor agreement which has now come back and bitten his bum because of Rwanda.

Sunak had one possible legacy he might have left for history and now even that is falling apart.

I wouldnt think Ireland complaining would cause Sunak to loose much sleep

It has nothing to do with Ireland complaining but everything to do with the GFA. Sunak is absolutely hidebound by this agreement - as he should be.

The problems are word wide I think

Perhaps, I am cynical, but after John Major won an election he was expected to lose, anything could happen, a tax giveaway autumn budget (already being talked about), asome good economic statistics. Anything is possible.

Personally I think the winner will be the 'none of the above' party. In other words, a very low voter turnout.

GrannyRose15

I’d go with Starmer’s six point plan if I were you. There’s nothing in that that anyone can complain about.

The plan is as follows

Step 1: Deliver economic stability with tough spending rules, so we can grow our economy and keep taxes, inflation and mortgages as low as possible.

Step 2: Cut NHS waiting times with 40,000 more appointments each week, during evenings and weekends, paid for by cracking down on tax avoidance and non-dom loopholes.

Step 3: Launch a new Border Security Command with hundreds of new specialist investigators and use counter-terror powers to smash the criminal boat gangs.

Step 4: Set up Great British Energy, a publicly-owned clean power company, to cut bills for good and boost energy security, paid for by a windfall tax on oil and gas giants.

Step 5: Crack down on antisocial behaviour, with more neighbourhood police paid for by ending wasteful contracts, tough new penalties for offenders, and a new network of youth hubs.

Step 6: Recruit 6,500 new teachers in key subjects to set children up for life, work and the future, paid for by ending tax breaks for private schools.

Last year, I set out Labour's national missions. The missions that will guide my Labour government as we turn the page on 14 years of Tory chaos.

These missions are ambitious. And ambitions start with first steps.

Everything we’ve set out today is fully costed and deliverable, because this changed Labour Party is back in the service of working people.

Tory decline is not inevitable. Politics can make a difference. We can stop the chaos, turn the page, and choose a better future for Britain.

This year, we will take this message to every doorstep in this country:

My mission-driven Labour government will deliver the change that you and your family deserve.

I'm expecting change to be both slow, and very difficult and I understand, after the corrupt and disorganised current government, that people are very wary and disillusioned.

If I were to say what I think about the six point plan I would be banned. Are people really that gullible?

People have been gullible to believe what the current government have told them about many, many things Germanshepherdsmum, so yes, clearly they are.

Well, call me gullible or whatever you like, but I absolutely support Labour and want them to form the next government - not simply because ‘they’re not the Tories’ but because, I believe, Labour will change this country for the better. I think they’ll give hope back to people.

Like mother love and apple pie?

If it is fully costed and deliverable, why are we not being told exactly where all the fully trained extra teachers and NHS staff are coming from.

It would be nice to know the costings in details, but I will settle for knowing the hows and whens ofwhere the staff will come from.

I would certainly like to know how 40,000 more hospital appointments can be created each week. Yes, there are 7 days in the week and 24 hours in each day, but where are the doctors and nurses coming from to cover the appointments? Or will appointments be created and then cancelled?

They will need those extra teachers (and probably more school buildings) to teach the children no longer able to attend independent schools once what they love to call ‘tax breaks’ end. That proposal stems from pure hatred of those who choose to send their children to independent schools. The old Labour demonisation of perceived wealth is showing despite their claims to have changed.

M0nica

If it is fully costed and deliverable, why are we not being told exactly where all the fully trained extra teachers and NHS staff are coming from.

It would be nice to know the costings in details, but I will settle for knowing the hows and whens ofwhere the staff will come from.

We have been told - you only have to read the information Labour is putting out there for everyone to see.

gsm With regard to the extra hospital appointments - labour has been in talks with clinicians for many months now and this figure is the result of months of work with the doctors over what is possible.

VAT on services will be charged to the parents who buy in these services from educational establishments. If you look at the law relating to VAT and charities I think that you will find a clear cut argument over whether the schools are providing charitable services or are being run as a business for prophet. Simple as that. Nothing to do with your hyperbolic “hate” but everything to do with fairness. And if as a parent I choose to send my child to an independent school with all the advantages this brings a rise of 20% is not going to break my bank is it😄.

40,000 additional hospital appointments per week is a modest claim, when you consider that there were 122.3 million outpatient appointments in 2021/22, and there have been doctors strikes this year so less than capacity activity will have taken place. Don’t underestimate the will of the NHS to support a Labour government after so many years of austerity and uncertainty either. I think it is achievable.

Private schools will not go under on day 1, if they do at all, as many of them have huge reserves, so that’s not going to be a showstopper either. The UK does actually have enough trained teachers but it remains to be seen if some of those who have left the profession return if they are hopeful that the tide has turned and teaching again becomes an attractive profession. I’d imagine one of Labour’s aims will be targeting potential returners, both to teaching and the NHS, as well as increasing training places.

PS this isn’t what the thread is about, are people trying to deflect?

If you were scrimping and saving to give your child the best education you could, making sacrifices as many people do, an additional 20% is likely to be completely unaffordable - and your child is then humiliated by having to leave their school. That is cruel - but typical Labour policy. Actually charitable status is only granted by the Charity Commission if the objectives of an organisation are charitable. The provision of education is an acceptable charitable objective and has been for centuries.

A few facts about private schools.
www.pepf.co.uk/fact-finder/facts-and-figures/

I was reading the newspaper reports on both leaders “re-launch” this week, and it was remarkable how quickly the focus is now changing to what most people are assuming to be the next government.

Sunak’s current relaunch was made in a small room to a few right wing hacks only.
Starmer’s was made in a hall where he was supported by people from major national businesses, an ex-police commissioner and other notable people.

It is so interesting to see how the zeitgeist is changing, and the focus now on a future with the Labour Party, this includes foreign governments who are quietly in talks with whom they assume is the next government.

All we need now is an election.

Regarding, where are the teachers coming from?
The current Government have removed the funding from Teach Now, an organisation that retained people from other industries to become teachers. Maybe reinstating such initiatives would help.
Many of these people already had relevant degrees and people management experience, they were fast tracked in teaching methods.

I don’t think anyone asked where the teachers were coming from, but I asked where the doctors and nurses to cover 40,000 additional hospital appointments per week were coming from.

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Mission-Public-Services.pdf

Full LP policy document on NHS/social care.

zakouma66

With respect GG, that isn't the truth on the ground.

What does that mean?
Have you got some sort of superior knowledge not available to the rest of us?