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Urmstongran Sat 18-May-24 14:24:02

You only had to watch Angela Rayner, Labour’s deputy leader, launching the new six-pledge card thing in Essex on Thursday. She bounced onto the stage with that expression politicians have the morning after a huge victory. Her face was one big soporific smile and she’s clearly been away attending a John Prescott word-mangling masterclass. “We aren’t,” she said, although she actually said “we are”, “promising the world,” which she quickly corrected to “the earth”, before adding: “But we are promising that what we are confident on we can deliver on.” Which I had to listen back to about six times to check I had it word for word.

Rachel Reeves then promised to “never play fast and loose with the public finances”. Let’s see how her VAT on private schools policy works out – indications are that already parents are eyeing up state-school alternatives for this September. Ed Miliband is going to “take back control of our destiny”, Yvette Cooper is “giving young people their future back”, while Sir Keir Starmer walked into that room filled with people in suits, tie-less in white shirt sleeves so you could notice him.

It all seems a bit vague. Maybe that’s deliberate?

Urmstongran Sat 18-May-24 21:27:36

The SNP have rent control in Scotland now. The policy has decreased rental stock and substantially increased rents. No landlord is going to rent property at a loss. It's the same with electric cars. Government cannot dictate a market. It's economic nonsense.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 18-May-24 21:29:06

Here is something about the legal definition of a charity which some posters need to read:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/what-makes-a-charity-cc4/what-makes-a-charity-cc4

Smileless2012 Sat 18-May-24 21:30:51

Is the Official Monster Raving Loony Party still on the go Callistemon?

MayBee70 Sat 18-May-24 21:31:03

Perhaps it would be a good idea to bring back council housing?It’s a pity that the money gained from Thatchers idea of selling off council houses wasn’t used to build more.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 18-May-24 21:35:01

Actually the current government has permitted councils to retain 100% of the proceeds of right to buy sales.

Urmstongran Sat 18-May-24 21:38:04

It gets worse …
“Starmer’s shadow minister mixes up £8.3bn and £82bn on green investment”.

Steve Reed backtracks after initially agreeing flagship Great British Energy project could cost ten times more than pledge.

Oh dear.
Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence does it?

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 18-May-24 21:39:50

Did he attend the same maths lessons as Diane Abbot?

Smileless2012 Sat 18-May-24 21:41:10

I'm glad he's not our accountant.

Elegran Sat 18-May-24 21:43:37

Replacing all the housing that have historically been lost to rental can't keep up with the increase in the demand. Even without the right to buy, the number needed would have increased with population increase.

Elegran Sat 18-May-24 21:45:23

MayBee70

Perhaps it would be a good idea to bring back council housing?It’s a pity that the money gained from Thatchers idea of selling off council houses wasn’t used to build more.

Bring back? I didn't think it had ever gone away. Waiting lists are longer than ever, but council houses still exist.

Smileless2012 Sat 18-May-24 21:47:20

Yes but surely without the right to buy, more would have been available Elegran.

Casdon Sat 18-May-24 21:47:47

It doesn’t matter much what over 65 traditional Tory voters vote though, as it’s not your votes that Labour will be targeting. As a demographic, over 65s are known to be the most set in their voting habits, and most right wing, so not worth the candle. Even in this group though the polls only currently show a 4% Tory bias.

biglouis Sat 18-May-24 21:52:07

I wonder if a Labour government had to deal with Brexit, the pandemic and the COL crisis in quick succession they would have done any better!

It was a Labour government - that of Blair - which is responsible for the loathed and despised "multi racial society" which I never voted for. Nor was I ever asked to vote for it.

I have voted conservative all my life but am currently a floating voter.

Casdon Sat 18-May-24 21:55:56

A Labour Government wouldn’t have had to deal with Brexit because there wouldn’t have been a referendum * biglouis*. That would have changed everything.

Dickens Sat 18-May-24 22:08:44

biglouis

I wonder if a Labour government had to deal with Brexit, the pandemic and the COL crisis in quick succession they would have done any better!

It was a Labour government - that of Blair - which is responsible for the loathed and despised "multi racial society" which I never voted for. Nor was I ever asked to vote for it.

I have voted conservative all my life but am currently a floating voter.

In the 50s I worked in Whitechapel High Street - sometimes eat lunch at BLOOMS Jewish Deli, shopped for groceries from a Turkish Cypriot store - also frequented by Greek Cypriots - worked with Italian and Irish (Southern) girls in BOOTS, and stopped for a coffee occasionally in a glass cup at a cafe run by a Swiss guy.

Tony Blair was probably still at Infants School then.

Callistemon21 Sat 18-May-24 22:36:12

Cossy

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s a choice. Would you remove choice? The problem children in some state schools prevent the rest from getting a decent education. Who wouldn’t want to remove their child from such an environment?

I agree it’s a choice, but it’s not a choice many people can actually make. What do you mean by “problem” children??

Where do you want me to start?

spabbygirl Sat 18-May-24 22:39:50

I can't wait to get a Labour gov't in, the last Labour gov't paid people a guaranteed income for 25 yrs if they got solar panels fitted so we did & the scheme has been great, of course Tories got in, cancelled it & gave money for renewable energy to big companies. I want policies which benefit ordinary folks and they come from Labour. Labour started the NHS & they will fix it. I think they are wary of saying too much cos the right wing papers will ridicule anything they say and also they don't know what money there will be, or other restrictive contracts.
I can't wait for a Labour govt.

Callistemon21 Sat 18-May-24 22:40:04

LizzieDrip

^I have also said what I think about Labour’s (traditional) desire to punish those who educate their children in independent schools, despite paying the taxes which fund state education^

GSM Labour is not intending to ‘punish’ those who choose to educate their children privately. That is a ridiculous assertion. Labour will merely ensure that private schools pay the VAT that other businesses in the UK have to pay. For too long they have benefitted from unfair tax breaks. A Labour government will not eradicate private education. Of course, private schools will pass on the extra costs of having to pay VAT to the customer - after all, they are businesses. There will still be choice for the consumer. Those who can afford it will buy it; those who can’t won’t. No change there!

Should education of the nation's children, even if private, be subject to VAT?

I don't believe so.

Anniebach Sat 18-May-24 22:43:11

Consider the alternative

Callistemon21 Sat 18-May-24 22:47:49

Smileless2012

Is the Official Monster Raving Loony Party still on the go Callistemon?

Oh yes, the quote in my post is from their manifesto, Smileless!

Sometimes I can't tell the difference between them and any of the other parties anyway.

Callistemon21 Sat 18-May-24 23:00:18

Casdon

A Labour Government wouldn’t have had to deal with Brexit because there wouldn’t have been a referendum * biglouis*. That would have changed everything.

Blair was planning to hold a referendum.

The public will vote in a referendum on Britain's future in the European Union under plans being finalised by Downing Street.

As the Prime Minister refused to rule out a change of heart on the issue yesterday, senior Whitehall sources told The Observer that a pledge to allow a referendum is likely be contained in the next Labour Party manifesto.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2004/apr/18/uk.eu1

Blair did change his mind frequently, however..

MayBee70 Sat 18-May-24 23:21:06

I don’t think the recent (mostly unelected) Conservative PM’s have stayed as leader for long enough to change their minds about anything.

MayBee70 Sat 18-May-24 23:29:18

Elegran

MayBee70

Perhaps it would be a good idea to bring back council housing?It’s a pity that the money gained from Thatchers idea of selling off council houses wasn’t used to build more.

Bring back? I didn't think it had ever gone away. Waiting lists are longer than ever, but council houses still exist.

But are they still being built? Or are they what’s now called social housing.

henetha Sat 18-May-24 23:37:49

I definitely want this dire government out, but have no faith in a Labour government. Keir and his cabinet do not inspire me.
So I have a dilemma.

maddyone Sat 18-May-24 23:42:55

Callistemon21

I'm a floating voter, despite being vilified when I posted that on Gransnet a few years ago. Despite the nastiness I received, I, together with other floating voters, am the voter who will decide on the next Government.

I remain unconvinced by either main party.

Please convince me 🙂

Are you talking about me Callistemon?
I’m floating so high I could touch the clouds, and no, I haven’t been drinking tonight.